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kato

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I'd say it's minimum 1-1.5 ton over the original planned maximum weight, including the armour modifications.
 

eckherl

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I'd say it's minimum 1-1.5 ton over the original planned maximum weight, including the armour modifications.
So the auto cannon shroud is actually part of the turret mantlet, I could also see how this would help reduce vibration in offensive engagements and may also help in thermal bending.
 

eckherl

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Meant to add this photo also,

Is it a safe bet that this is what the Spike launcher will look like with turret configuration.
 

kato

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Position is mandated by the cannon ejecting to the right (and the top of the turret used for other things).
That it'll be a twin launcher, and that it'll likely have limited elevation capability is also known.

Whether the armour covers on front and back will open like that... whether it will have some sort of add-on armour tacked on... that's under development i guess.

The position of the smoke grenade launchers was also changed a bit btw. What can't be seen in these pics is that SKWA (six-shot 76mm HE-FRAG launcher) on the back deck is still present (there have been some doubts whether it'd make it in), and SKWA has been deemed qualified for operation.
 

eckherl

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Position is mandated by the cannon ejecting to the right (and the top of the turret used for other things).
That it'll be a twin launcher, and that it'll likely have limited elevation capability is also known.

Whether the armour covers on front and back will open like that... whether it will have some sort of add-on armour tacked on... that's under development i guess.

The position of the smoke grenade launchers was also changed a bit btw. What can't be seen in these pics is that SKWA (six-shot 76mm HE-FRAG launcher) on the back deck is still present (there have been some doubts whether it'd make it in), and SKWA has been deemed qualified for operation.
Yes, even though the launcher will have limited elevation this should not matter because the missile is NLOS capable.
 

Cobra 1 1

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Yes, even though the launcher will have limited elevation this should not matter because the missile is NLOS capable.
The newer version of Puma ... There appears to be a sight that is placed over the commanders direct vision pan sight. Wonder what it's for?
 

Waylander

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This is not an additional sight but the IR-emitter for the MUSS soft-kill defense system.
 

riksavage

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The recent announcement by the Canadian Government regarding armoured upgrades includes a tracked AFV to compliment the new Leopards. Based on their recent experiences in A-Stan an M113 upgrade is unlikely and the two favoured options are CV90 or Puma. CV90 (according to reports) is currently favourate because it's already been combat tested in theatre by the Danes, it's also one of the two contenders for FRES recce fitted with a new 40mm turret. However that said, based on the Leopard sales success to Canada, Puma has a good chance of being selected, with or without an unmanned turret. It could be the first export success.

I wonder whether the Germans intend deploying Puma to replace the Marders recently depolyed to A-Stan in the near future?
 

Onkel

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I wonder whether the Germans intend deploying Puma to replace the Marders recently depolyed to A-Stan in the near future?
I bet, this won´t be going to happen during within the next 3 Years. At first production has to start, the Puma have to be delivered and troops have to be fitted with them. Because troops are rotating from different units to A-stan, the Bundeswehr will wait until several bataillons are fitted with Puma. The Marder 1 A 5 deployed to A-stan will have to do their job a bit longer.
 

Cobra 1 1

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Puma, CCV, and GCV

The recent announcement by the Canadian Government regarding armoured upgrades includes a tracked AFV to compliment the new Leopards. Based on their recent experiences in A-Stan an M113 upgrade is unlikely and the two favoured options are CV90 or Puma. CV90 (according to reports) is currently favourate because it's already been combat tested in theatre by the Danes, it's also one of the two contenders for FRES recce fitted with a new 40mm turret. However that said, based on the Leopard sales success to Canada, Puma has a good chance of being selected, with or without an unmanned turret. It could be the first export success.

I wonder whether the Germans intend deploying Puma to replace the Marders recently depolyed to A-Stan in the near future?

I noted in an earlier news item BAE is teamed with DEW Engineering on a CCV effort. Wonder if that might be connected at all with the CV90 possibility?
Also, even w/ Puma unmanned turret, (and carrying only 3 + 6 soldiers) how many dismounts might the CCV require?
Finally, will be interesting to see what common requirements there might be between Canada's CCV, the US GCV, and what Puma already meets.
 

eckherl

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Puma priority will go to the Germans not giving Canada a oppurtunity for at least 3 years if not more, plus the cost factor will turn the Canadians away. CV90 will most likely be a better choice for them.
 
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