Potential "New" states in Europe

[Jon K]

It's actually a pretty old idea. Originally started in the times when Napoleon occupied the area, cropped up again after each World War.

I was referring just to Schwäbisch But if one wants to see a scenario with divided Germany, it's perhaps more realistic to assume that it would involve development of EU to a level in which large nation states are considered superfluous. German Länder are about as big as most EU member states, after all.

 

[contedicavour]

Somewhat more likely than in Germany, it might be interesting to ask our Spanish friends about units stationed in Catalunya and in the Basque regions. Same question to the Belgians...

cheers

 

[lobbie111]

I think Its Funny, everyone is going on about how Europe will split up more and more but to me it will become one huge country with each country representing a itself on a state level (obviously remaining an independent country), they may break up into smaller states but I don't think it will affect anything, Europe is going to be one big multinational force anyway with each country contributing their share.

 

[Waylander]

I think most posts here made clear that most of these independence movements are small and unimportant.
And it it is right that the EU is turning slowly into a more and more united europe.

But this is not going to happen soon, especially not with the (IMO too) fast acception of new members and with the EU being so big.

And some of the independence movements are indeed serious, be it the Basque regions, the Italian north or Scotland.
One juts has to have a look at Belgium to see how difficult it is even for such a small country to remain united.

 

[lobbie111]

I think most posts here made clear that most of these independence movements are small and unimportant.
And it it is right that the EU is turning slowly into a more and more united europe.

But this is not going to happen soon, especially not with the (IMO too) fast acception of new members and with the EU being so big.

And some of the independence movements are indeed serious, be it the Basque regions, the Italian north or Scotland.
One juts has to have a look at Belgium to see how difficult it is even for such a small country to remain united.

Yeah I agree this is social change not political or military change, this doesn't mean anything just gives you another 50 armies to remember the names and equipment of...

 

[regstrup]

Åland - doesn't the Finnish military have some unit that's entirely composed of Åland locals? With Swedish as mandatory language?

No, as Jon K states, the locals from Åland is exempted from conscription and the islands themselves is demilitarized.

But the swedish talking citizens in the western part of finland mostly do their national service in the Nylands Brigade, wich is the only purely swedishtalking unit in the finnish defence.

 

[Manfred2]

The closest thing to a break-away movement here in the US is the on-going talk about a 51st State, to be called Jefferson.

It would consist of Southern Oregon and the northern end of California. VERY sparsely populated, this would be a rural state composed of people who are sick and tired of being sucked dry to support urban centers.

How serious is it? Well... it's been talked about since the 1920s.

However, redical leftists in Portland have been talking about a law that would make it illegal to live in a rural area, unless you are a farmer. The PRC (People's Republic of California) has ruled that people have no right to home-school children... so who knows what might happen, eh?

 

[Firehorse]

I wouldn't exclude the possibility of the USA breakup, just like the USSR. I've heard of a an old idea of 11 Western States seceding and forming a new union- CA, AZ, NM, NV, MT, WY, ID, UT, OR, WA, & CO. If that were to happen, AK, HI, American Samoa, Puerto Rico & Guam would also go independent, Northern & Southern states will separate again and probably form their unions. TX & Vermont were independent republics, not "states".
As for Europe, there may be divisions and unifications -for ex. Ukraine can split, with Southern & Eastern parts joining the RF and the Western joining Poland. And in Asia-Pacific, there are Okinawa, Jolo, Papua, Aceh, Kashmir, Assam, Sinkiang, Tibet, the "Russian", formerly Chinese, Far East, Yakutia (Saha). This list is by no means complete!

 

[Kosovo=Serbia]

I will declare unilaterally independence from my girlfriend next week. There will be big celebration, and I hope all of you will support me and recognize it......


Kosovo is hart of Serbia

 

[Rythm]

Not to forget: the independent (east)-Prussia centered around the russian enclave Kaliningrad/Königsberg. I recently learned that there are still germans living there and they make up around 0,3% of the population!

 

[X6958]

I think during an eventual third world war, of the USA lost, things could get ugly, the USA is divided, there are some liberals in the cities, but go to Western Pennsylvania, A friend saw a sign saying "Hunt Safley, DOn't Kill Does, Jesus is the Lord" or something like that. Also considering the fact that the U.S. Military bases are fairly well spread out and that there are state National Guards (Which could form State Militaries, if there was another Civil War) and the Militia, you never know, however, I doubt this will happen any time soon.

 

[Kosovo=Serbia]

Republic of Gotovusha and Shtrpce.
Population: 12 900 - Shtrpceans 5000,
Gotovushanians 1900
Others (Sevchanians, Yazhinchanians, Bitinians, Brezoychans, Popovkans and others) 6000
Encompasses area of 247.36 square kilometers .
Border lines are made of the mountain massive of the north-east part of the Šar Mountain and its branches: Ošljak, Kodža Balkan, Žar and Jezerska Mountain. State of Gotovusha and Shtrpce is mainly mountainous area.
Mountains with so called Alpine mountain relief, in upper part of mountain where there is snow up to 280 days during the year are just some of the advantages for the development of winter tourism. Šara Mountain offers possibility of preparing ski slopes for all types of winter sports fans, from novices to top professional skiers. The lower parts with characteristics of the valley climate are rich with variety of the flora, lakes, caves etc. and offer possibilities for development of summer tourism as well. Beside tourism there are opportunities and natural recourses for development of agriculture and cattle-breading. Agriculture land takes 55 % of state territory —13,651 hectares (33,732 acres). Pastures cover 38,8% and meadows 25% of total agriculture land. Cultivable soil covers 18%, and small area is under orchards. Forests take 42% territory of the state—11,372 hectares (28,101 acres)
Whole territory of the state is reach with rivers, about 250 springs manifest presence of underground waters. The largest river is Lepenac which is made of two rivers - Tisova and Cerenacke river. There are number of mountain lakes out of which three are most popular - Livadičko, Štrbačko and Jažinačko lake.State does not have military forces yet, because it is not formally declared its independence from Serbia. But that day is closer every day now.
It wait for USA and UN support only, and should be declared in the end of this or next year.
peaceful country with peaceful people and tourism as its main economy resource. The language is Serbian, Macedonian and Selyachki.
The history of this small nations (tribes) is unknown, but someone
says that their roots are from Huns. Down is map, coat of arms, and flag

 

[Kosovo=Serbia]

Aprilllillllillllilllli

APRILILILILII
I want to put this joke on april 1, but for as much as was banned till today....
No irritation I hope, only want to provide some . Sorry if someone get
.... this is data (except first and last two parts) from municipality of Shterpce, and its flag, coat of arms and map.....
But with regard to that this is most beautiful and peaceful (for now) part of Kosovo province, I invite you all to come visit and stay here............
and knowing it is off topic I will post some pictures for you to see....
And of course
Косово је срце Србије! - Kosovo is heart of Serbia! - كوسوفو هي قلب صربيا
:nutkick

 

[KiwiRob]

If Kosovo is the heart of Serbia then why didn't more Serbs live there or start to move there when it looked like it was going to become independant.

 

[Kosovo=Serbia]

If Kosovo is the heart of Serbia then why didn't more Serbs live there or start to move there when it looked like it was going to become independant.

nfloorl:
Where??? Among Albanians? In Serb enclaves there is no place, or jobs, or anything. Serbs leaving Kosovo under pressure, little get back, and that is
only who lived there before. Economic situation in Serbia is not so bright,
no one really want to move from bad to worse.
There should be also government project for something like that.
And our government is incompetence and have like 0 of unity for anything.
That is why we let them unilaterally declare independence at first place.
If there was only little effort and brain in government, and real moves,
unlike get in American a55es and playing puppets, there wouldnt be this problem at all... They play stupid politics thinking that way we will
get some points to the west, and they get punishment...
So, for that move beside all, needs serious government and money and much
more....
It is not simple at all.
Unlike Albanians who increase their population in Kosovo for last 20 years for
god knows how much, and I am sure they do that with clear plan,
we dint do anything, there was no reason for that before....
Because there was about 400000 Serbs before conflict, and now there is only
about 100000... Very, very little returned to new homes, few thousands for this 9 years, but several thousands left.... and keep leaving........ family by family. It is sad..... So there are no condition for more Serbs to come and live,
and there is not any government project for that.
Read some of my posts in Kosovo conflict thread........



I realize now this is off topic .. Sorry ..

Lets back on topic


Could/should Republic of Srpska declare it independence from Bosnia ? ? ?



And of course !!!!!!!!!!

Косово је срце Србије! - Kosovo is heart of Serbia! - كوسوفو هي قلب صربيا

 

[Atilla [TR]]

Kosovo is country of the Albanians. 96% of the population is Albanian adn only 2% is Serbian 1% Roma 1% Turk. Serbs are greatly outnumbered why do you guys want to keep land that is mostly Albanian I do not understand.

 

[Kosovo=Serbia]

Kosovo is country of the Albanians. 96% of the population is Albanian adn only 2% is Serbian 1% Roma 1% Turk. Serbs are greatly outnumbered why do you guys want to keep land that is mostly Albanian I do not understand.

It is little more, but ok, Serbs are outnumbered, better to say exiled, before
conflict there was almost half-half of Serb-Alb. population, and it is not right
to say now "Why to hell you want it when you dont live there anymore"... and stuff like that...There is no justice....If someone invide 15% of Turkey and
exile Turks which lived there, and it became like 95% of non Turks land,
and after several years they say, we live there now, we are majority, this
is new, our state, Turks f*** off... and you will say, ok , no problem, right???
No man you will look for justice, right???

 

[swerve]

It is little more, but ok, Serbs are outnumbered, better to say exiled, before
conflict there was almost half-half of Serb-Alb. population, and it is not right
to say now "Why to hell you want it when you dont live there anymore"... and stuff like that...There is no justice....If someone invide 15% of Turkey and
exile Turks which lived there, and it became like 95% of non Turks land,
and after several years they say, we live there now, we are majority, this
is new, our state, Turks f*** off... and you will say, ok , no problem, right???
No man you will look for justice, right???

Please, confine yourself to facts. The Yugoslav censuses contradict you on the population figures, for example:

1981 census -
Albanian - 77.4%
Serb - 13.2%
Montenegrin - 1.7%

Nationality Group 1971 Census [2] 1961 Census

Albanian 918,864 (or) 73.8 (%) 346,6?1 (or) 67.1 (%)
Serb 228,541 18.4 227,016 23.5
Montenegrin 31,528 2.5 37,638 3.9
Turk 12,151 1.0 25,764 2.7
Gypsy 14,711 1.2 --- ---
Other 38,960 3.1 26,989 2.8

The 1921 census showed -
Albanian-speaking - 65.8%
Serbo-Croat speaking - 26.0%
Turkish-speaking 6.4%

1948 -
Albanian - 68%
Serb - 24%
Montenegrin - 4%

1953 -
Albanian - 65%
Serb - 23.5%
Montenegrin - 3.9%

But anyway, this thread is getting out of hand.

(Moderator hat on)
Cool it everyone. Cut the inflammatory rhetoric or this thread will be closed. It was always a little close to the line, & it's a long way over it now.

 

[Kosovo=Serbia]

Yes, you are right swerve, I said half-half and it is not true. I actually didnt know and heard for that censues, I wrote like I wrote, because of my drunken
friend discussion today, he was pissed off, so was I... .... (girls problems....... and we touch politics and Kosovo theme eventually ) .......... ...........
But you cant denied that there were a lot more of Serbs in Kosovo than today, and much more Albanians than ever......
Back to topic
What right and what would consequences will be if Republic of Srpska
declare independence from bosnia???
I like to hear your opinions ........

 

[Firehorse]

Putin Hints at Splitting Up Ukraine

It will be easier to split them than the Mother Russia!