Post Elizabeth II

[John Newman]

This popped up on YouTube a little while ago (obviously a lot of coverage regarding the late Queen Elizabeth II being posted at the moment).

I’ve never heard of this bloke before, have no idea who he is (did a quick Google, he’s a Canuck, so John Fedup probably knows more about him).

Apparently this was recorded only hours after the Queen died, it’s an interesting perspective:

 

[Ananda]

Rare? Don’t think so.

Numismatic circles call collectibles value will derive not just due to age and rare (off course rare is main factor) but also how far the span of one series of coins or notes come out. Thus as CR3 series potentially will span shorter times then ER2 series, so in time it can be more collectible.

Also with advance of Digital money and payment system, there's potential the total amount CR3 circulates will be relatively less then comparable series of ER2. This in time can also raise the collectibles values.

Still this will happen after at least one two decades after Charles III reign ended.

 

[John Newman]

Numismatic circles call collectibles value will derive not just due to age and rare (off course rare is main factor) but also how far the span of one series of coins or notes come out. Thus as CR3 series potentially will span shorter times then ER2 series, so in time it can be more collectible.

Also with advance of Digital money and payment system, there's potential the total amount CR3 circulates will be relatively less then comparable series of ER2. This in time can also raise the collectibles values.

Still this will happen after at least one two decades after Charles III reign ended.

Rare or collectable, however you wish to frame it, there will be many many millions of coins and bank notes produced across the UK and the Commonwealth with Charles image.

A future rare, or collectable, Charles coin or bank note is more likely to be due to a minting or printing error, or from a short commemorative production run.

If a ‘general’ issue coin or bank note with Charles image becomes rare or collectable, I’ll eat my hat.

 

[King Wally]

Clearly Charles at 73, won’t be King for the next 70 years, but....

His Mother lived to 96, His Father lived to 99, his Grandmother to 101, pretty good genetics.

Assuming he doesn’t have an unexpired serious illness it’s reasonable to think, with his current health and genetic background, he’s probably got another 20 to 25 years ahead of him.

That’s a lot of coins and banknotes with his head on them.

Rare? Don’t think so.

Actually... in Australia anyway I think King Charles III will have a smashingly short rein on the back of our coins. I give it under 5 years before a referendum and he's removed. Sorry if that's poor taste to mention at this time but it is my expectation.

 

[At lakes]

Actually... in Australia anyway I think King Charles III will have a smashingly short rein on the back of our coins. I give it under 5 years before a referendum and he's removed. Sorry if that's poor taste to mention at this time but it is my expectation.

i disagree if you put three Australians in a room ask them the questions what sort of republic do you want and how do you the head of state elected no one will agree on any thing, my opinion is if it not broke dont try to fix it some one will stuff it up

 

[John Newman]

i disagree if you put three Australians in a room ask them the questions what sort of republic do you want and how do you the head of state elected no one will agree on any thing, my opinion is if it not broke dont try to fix it some one will stuff it up

Exactly, spot on.

I’ve lost count of the times I’ve been in a group of people when the Republic question comes up.

The statement is usually “we should be a Republic”, my question is usually “explain why?” and “how exactly do we elect a President?” and “how to you avoid a political appointment?” and “how exactly does this benefit the Nation?”.

The response is usually a blank stare and the “gulping fish response”, mouth opening and closing, but no words.

I’m not a Monarchist by any stretch of the imagination, but equally, our system of a Government has served us well for 120+ years, I struggle to find a benefit to change for the sake of change.

Like you, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

 

[ngatimozart]

This popped up on YouTube a little while ago (obviously a lot of coverage regarding the late Queen Elizabeth II being posted at the moment).

I’ve never heard of this bloke before, have no idea who he is (did a quick Google, he’s a Canuck, so John Fedup probably knows more about him).

Apparently this was recorded only hours after the Queen died, it’s an interesting perspective:

He and that shelia interviewing are far right nutbars. IIRC they were both refused entry to both Australia and NZ because they didn't pass the good character test in either nation. I use the term nutbars because they are extremists and if anyone takes issue with that PM me.

EDIT 13/9/22. I stand corrected. Peterson wasn't refused entry to Australia and NZ. It was Stefan Molyneux & Lauren Southern who I was thinking of and they were allowed into NZ but were unable to hold their public meetings in Auckland because they were unable to find a venue. Those two are definitely alt right / far right nutters.

WRT to Jordan Petersen he also professes alt right views.

 

[ngatimozart]

Rare or collectable, however you wish to frame it, there will be many many millions of coins and bank notes produced across the UK and the Commonwealth with Charles image.

A future rare, or collectable, Charles coin or bank note is more likely to be due to a minting or printing error, or from a short commemorative production run.

If a ‘general’ issue coin or bank note with Charles image becomes rare or collectable, I’ll eat my hat.

A rare note, coin or stamp would be one with Edward VIII on it. That would be worth at least seven figures.

HM Elizabeth II started her final journey about an hour ago. It was live on the Royal Channel on YouTube. I know that the Princess Royal is her father's daughter and is as tough as any naval gunner, but I certainly hope that she has family with her as she escorts her Mother to London.

 

[At lakes]

A rare note, coin or stamp would be one with Edward VIII on it. That would be worth at least seven figures.

You are correct a Edward the VIII 3p bit of which only 10 escaped recall was sold at auction for 30000.00 pounds. Also a 1937 Edward VIII sovereign sold at auction for one million pounds in 2020.

Thrupenny bit bearing head of King Edward VIII on sale for £30,000

The 12-sided coin was an experimental piece produced by the Royal Mint after the death of King George V and before Prince Edward gave up the crown in 1936.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[swerve]

A rare note, coin or stamp would be one with Edward VIII on it. That would be worth at least seven figures.

Edward VIII stamps aren't valuable. They were used for at least a year (they kept being made used for a while after he quit, as new ones weren't ready), & even then collectors piled in on new ones, so millions went into collections when they were first issued & most of that lot are probably still around. My sister has some in the inherited album I passed on to her. An auction house wouldn't think them worth selling except as part of a collection.

Coins are a different matter. They hadn't been issued by the time he abdicated, so the only ones around are a few samples & proof copies, & I think most of them aren't on the market, but in the royal collection & the like. A penny was sold this year & fetched about £200,000 I think - so six figures, not seven, but still definitely worth having.

British banknotes didn't have the monarch's head on 'em back then.

 

[ASSAIL]

A rare note, coin or Tory stamp would be one with Edward VIII on it. That would be worth at least seven figures.

HM Elizabeth II started her final journey about an hour ago. It was live on the Royal Channel on YouTube. I know that the Princess Royal is her father's daughter and is as tough as any naval gunner, but I certainly hope that she has family with her as she escorts her Mother to London.

I have approx 500+ Edward VIII Territory of Papua and New Guinea copper pennies with holes in the centre dated 1937.
These were obtained by my grandfather as wages for our plantation but were never circulated or sent to PNG but stored in Melbourne. I don’t know why they weren’t sent but possibly because of the abdication.
A year or so ago I sold some to a collector in Darwin and he said their current value was about 30AUD but my large number would destroy the market so I’ve kept them.
they’re in “uncirculated” condition.

 

[John Fedup]

He and that shelia interviewing are far right nutbars. IIRC they were both refused entry to both Australia and NZ because they didn't pass the good character test in either nation. I use the term nutbars because they are extremists and if anyone takes issue with that PM me.

This is the first I have ever heard about this guy Peterson

He and that shelia interviewing are far right nutbars. IIRC they were both refused entry to both Australia and NZ because they didn't pass the good character test in either nation. I use the term nutbars because they are extremists and if anyone takes issue with that PM me.

Never heard about this this guy Peterson. Stopped watching the video as soon as he mentioned Trump. Another zero value citizen.

 

[King Wally]

i disagree if you put three Australians in a room ask them the questions what sort of republic do you want and how do you the head of state elected no one will agree on any thing, my opinion is if it not broke dont try to fix it some one will stuff it up

Well that got the result in '99.

But Australia's demographics are fast changing in a direction that is not favorable to maintaining the status quo.

(2021 ABS) - "More than half of all Australians are first or second-generation migrants, figures from the census have shown."
The changing face of Australia: What the Census 2021 reveals about us | SBS English

Throw in a horde of freshly voting aged Gen Z's and millennials and you may be surprised what the next 5 years will bring.
"The latest data reveals that, within a very small margin, numbers of Millennials (25-39 years old) have caught up to Baby Boomers (55-74 years old) as the largest generational group in Australia."
2021 Census shows Millennials overtaking Boomers | Australian Bureau of Statistics (abs.gov.au)

I think the writing is on the wall myself, the only unknown is how long the Royal family can hold on here in Australia before majority support is lost.

 

[oldsig127]

Well that got the result in '99.

But Australia's demographics are fast changing in a direction that is not favorable to maintaining the status quo.

(2021 ABS) - "More than half of all Australians are first or second-generation migrants, figures from the census have shown."
The changing face of Australia: What the Census 2021 reveals about us | SBS English

Throw in a horde of freshly voting aged Gen Z's and millennials and you may be surprised what the next 5 years will bring.
"The latest data reveals that, within a very small margin, numbers of Millennials (25-39 years old) have caught up to Baby Boomers (55-74 years old) as the largest generational group in Australia."
2021 Census shows Millennials overtaking Boomers | Australian Bureau of Statistics (abs.gov.au)

I think the writing is on the wall myself, the only unknown is how long the Royal family can hold on here in Australia before majority support is lost.

All true, but interestingly there have been surveys reported recently showing that the youngest of those demographics is the *least* interested in changing to a Republic followed by the oldest and the remainder form a neat bell curve around a mean of age 45

oldsig

 

[At lakes]

Well that got the result in '99.

But Australia's demographics are fast changing in a direction that is not favorable to maintaining the status quo.

(2021 ABS) - "More than half of all Australians are first or second-generation migrants, figures from the census have shown."
The changing face of Australia: What the Census 2021 reveals about us | SBS English

Throw in a horde of freshly voting aged Gen Z's and millennials and you may be surprised what the next 5 years will bring.
"The latest data reveals that, within a very small margin, numbers of Millennials (25-39 years old) have caught up to Baby Boomers (55-74 years old) as the largest generational group in Australia."
2021 Census shows Millennials overtaking Boomers | Australian Bureau of Statistics (abs.gov.au)

I think the writing is on the wall myself, the only unknown is how long the Royal family can hold on here in Australia before majority support is lost.

to save me typing my reasons for my post, I refer you to @John Newman post #26 and I believe @oldsig127 correct as well., My daughter age under 30 said she cant see the logic in spending pots of money to change a name because she cant see benefit.

 

[swerve]

I have approx 500+ Edward VIII Territory of Papua and New Guinea copper pennies with holes in the centre dated 1937.
These were obtained by my grandfather as wages for our plantation but were never circulated or sent to PNG but stored in Melbourne. I don’t know why they weren’t sent but possibly because of the abdication.
A year or so ago I sold some to a collector in Darwin and he said their current value was about 30AUD but my large number would destroy the market so I’ve kept them.
they’re in “uncirculated” condition.

Are they the same size as the old British penny, i.e. 31 mm? Were they minted in Australia?

I can imagine them being a relatively niche interest which would explain the modest price & small market.

 

[ASSAIL]

Are they the same size as the old British penny, i.e. 31 mm? Were they minted in Australia?

I can imagine them being a relatively niche interest which would explain the modest price & small market.

Yes minted in Melbourne Downies

 

[alexsa]

i disagree if you put three Australians in a room ask them the questions what sort of republic do you want and how do you the head of state elected no one will agree on any thing, my opinion is if it not broke dont try to fix it some one will stuff it up

Personnally I would not trust the politicians of public servants to rewrite the consistution. If it reflects some of the current pervasive views being fostered it could be fraught with risk and may put a lot of centerists offside. Any such change will be subject to a referendum .................. and this could be a challenge.

To be honest, Australia has complete control over its future now.

 

[StingrayOZ]

All true, but interestingly there have been surveys reported recently showing that the youngest of those demographics is the *least* interested in changing to a Republic followed by the oldest and the remainder form a neat bell curve around a mean of age 45

The government has stated it won't revisit the republic during its term of government. More interestingly this gets global news.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/british-queens-death-rekindles-australian-republic-debate/2022/09/10/3f9cf2c4-317e-11ed-bcc6-0874b26ae296_story.html

As a republican I can clearly say the republican movement is pretty fractured, Australians don't love dreaming up or implementing political changes. Recent events seem to undermined trust in politicians and any system that seems to remove control or oversight is no likely to be seen as attractive. Trying to out diplomatic compete with China, going a republic may not be ideal for the region even if its popular with Australia.

It may seem odd, but a lot of migrants actually like the Queen. Many have migrated from other commonwealth countries to Australia, so there is a bit of an ironic colonial connection. Its not like we are getting 30% of migrants being Irish Catholics anymore. Even countries that have complicated histories with monarchies, like India, see things like culture and the commonwealth of nations generally as good things.

Australia certainly has a regional leadership with the Commonwealth countries in the region.

Australian shuttle diplomacy gets Pacific leaders to Queen’s funeral

Amid Chinese efforts to build influence in the Pacific, Commonwealth ties are allowing Australia and New Zealand to engage in a bit of soft diplomacy.

www.afr.com

IMO even as a republican, I fully support this kind of diplomatic effort. The commonwealth as a concept does allow smaller nations to regularly rub shoulders with bigger nations in an outsized way, one that shows alignment with the commonwealth is of huge diplomatic benefit. I hope when we shuttle regional leaders to the UK they get some time to speak to a few European leaders while in Europe as well. Supporting our pacific family should be the highest priority.

Australia will be one of the key focuses in the new administration.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/william-and-catherine-to-visit-australia-before-king-charles/news-story/e323403fb9b0fcd0a763f7e3229f1e45

Sometimes the UK spends too much time belly button focused. The monarch generally does have a bit more of a more worldly view. The Pacific will need to be an area of active focus (as will Africa) simply because there is an active diplomatic softpower battle going on. Australia has the largest diaspora of British people in the world. A lot of Australia's regional diplomatic power is based off the commonwealth's diplomatic power.

 

[ngatimozart]

Saw this on Facebook today posted by a Kiwi MP.