I know abt PPP (purchasing power parity) dude! All I'm saying is... if u're giving the GDP as $61b in 2001 in real terms than the comparison should also be in real terms in the preceeding years not by PPP otherwise ...then u shud give us the PPP for 2001....... getting ma point ppl ??? :roll
PLAN's growing power. Input needed.
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GDP purchasing power parity - $299 billion (2001 est.)
GDP: purchasing power parity - $311 billion (2002 est.)
I am still tring to find GDP in real terms. I will post it as soon as i get it.
Though seeing the growth in terms of ppp i would estimate that GDP in real terms is close to $63.5 billion in 2002.
GDP purchasing power parity - $299 billion (2001 est.)
GDP: purchasing power parity - $311 billion (2002 est.)
I am still tring to find GDP in real terms. I will post it as soon as i get it.
Though seeing the growth in terms of ppp i would estimate that GDP in real terms is close to $63.5 billion in 2002.
Well after the new port opens china alreday surronded india from all sides , port in pak , port in bangladesh and in mayanmer ..
India strategist already seen this and alreday lauched to counter to meet PLAN .
1) India in principle decided to give Prethiv missiles to Vietnam , this is to show china if he can armed its neighour then India can also.
2)India is now developing a port in Iran close to make watch in Pak New port
3) India frist outside miitry base in Afgan borden is already working and now air strip had been to accomodate Su30 planes .
4) India opens its Naval base in adman Inlands , inorder to chock East Asia in case of crises , As all ships pass though Adman Islands .
5) India decided to petrol wiht US ship from East to West.
6) India is now also showing its presence in Vietnam seas , If chines Navy come to Pak port and make it base then Indian Navy will deploy its assests in South China sea which make chines lines vurnable .
India strategist already seen this and alreday lauched to counter to meet PLAN .
1) India in principle decided to give Prethiv missiles to Vietnam , this is to show china if he can armed its neighour then India can also.
2)India is now developing a port in Iran close to make watch in Pak New port
3) India frist outside miitry base in Afgan borden is already working and now air strip had been to accomodate Su30 planes .
4) India opens its Naval base in adman Inlands , inorder to chock East Asia in case of crises , As all ships pass though Adman Islands .
5) India decided to petrol wiht US ship from East to West.
6) India is now also showing its presence in Vietnam seas , If chines Navy come to Pak port and make it base then Indian Navy will deploy its assests in South China sea which make chines lines vurnable .
mysterious
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You see, it doesn't effect much to China if it puts a dozen of its shipz at Gwadar as even though its not that modernized as yet, it won't have a great effect on the number of its fleet in South China see so even if India decides to put one or two more shipz there, I hardly think that would even raise a Chinese eyebrow. As far as China and India arming each other's neighbors to create a balance is concerned, I think China's had more success than India.
Not really , when india ships visit vietnam , china raisis its eyebrow.
Well quantity never match quality. With wide range of weapons India can nutrulise any navy in seconds .
Like take an examples ....... If India fires 300 Bhramos anti ships missiles from land based lauchpad or from planes from 250 away , it can disable all 300 ships within 5 mins. Same goes India too but India can survive it ships by putting out of range
Do chines want to take a risk to lost its navy wihtin 5 mins ?
Cmon man now quality of wepons will decide the future of war not quanitity,
Let take this ..... If china enter into Indian ocean then India will shif towards US , then US will Arm India heavly to counter China ...... and China never take this risk
Anyway , this is secret understanding between India and China , that china will allow india regional status .
Well quantity never match quality. With wide range of weapons India can nutrulise any navy in seconds .
Like take an examples ....... If India fires 300 Bhramos anti ships missiles from land based lauchpad or from planes from 250 away , it can disable all 300 ships within 5 mins. Same goes India too but India can survive it ships by putting out of range
Do chines want to take a risk to lost its navy wihtin 5 mins ?
Cmon man now quality of wepons will decide the future of war not quanitity,
Let take this ..... If china enter into Indian ocean then India will shif towards US , then US will Arm India heavly to counter China ...... and China never take this risk
Anyway , this is secret understanding between India and China , that china will allow india regional status .
mysterious
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I think that's the best one I've heard in a year... "India and China have a secret understanding and China is gona let India have the regional status" LOL man! can someone wake this guy up?????? hahahaah I swear he's dreaming!! Son, it wud be great if u posted some links and evidence to back what all u're saying. None of us here believes in assumptions and self thought patriotic, emotional judgments. :smokingc:
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This is almost impossiblemukul said:
First, entire China's navy will have to be within 300KM(is it Km or miles??) of indian ships.
Secondly, India will have to know the location of every chinese ship.
And lastly, India needs enough ships to fire 300 bhramos simultaneously.
As I said almost impossible.
mysterious
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Thats why I just said...somebody give Mukul a wake up notch! lol
Bhramos can be fired from land based system , Air plateforms and from ships also ... understand .. ..Panzer said:
Secondly where radar comes , India can easly detects surface ships easily.. this is not big deal with it ..
Anyway , Indo China is relation inproving fast , recent accost on tibet and sikkem is on record ... welll i am not telling things from the things you read , in beleave in practile and whats happening on ground
India , give space china on tiwan and in return guess what India get ???
man things happens behind curtains ,and in you wnat i can also post links ......... if you wnat
Mukul, always post source of your information when you make certain claims. Don't ask people "i can post likes if you want" that just tells us you will go out and search for the links. Just post the damn thing along with your reply containing whatever you claim. :!:
The Brahmos is an Indian modified version of the Russian supersonic P-800 Yakhont (Gem), which is a ramjet version of P-80 Zubr [SS-N-7 Starbright. At this stage it is Land and Surface ship launchable.Panzer said:
The Russian sub launched version is the P-800 Bolid. India (AFAIK) has yet to successfully test their version of the Bolid/Brahmos
India, in improving its relations with China, is trying to practice what it preaches to Pakistan: put more contentious issues on the back burner, try to solve easier problems first, while concentrating in the meantime on improving trade ties and people-to-people contacts. This strategy, the Indian leadership feels, will create an atmosphere conducive to solving bigger, more divisive issues, such as the Kashmir dispute with Islamabad.WebMaster said:
Pursuing this strategy, during Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's six-day China visit that ended on Friday, India and China have appointed special envoys to map out a resolution of long-standing border disputes, thus in effect putting this sensitive issue on the back burner, and instead they moved on to iron out their differences on issues such as the mutual recognition of Sikkim and Tibet as inalienable parts of each others' territory. In the meantime, they have given a big push to restarting Sino-Indian trade through traditional routes.
Making light of deeply sensitive and complex issues, seeking to get around them through semantic jugglery, both Indian and Chinese leaders appear determined to pursue their dream of making the 21st an Asian century. Indeed, Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao reminded Vajpayee of Deng Xiaoping's famous remark to Rajiv Gandhi, "The 21st century can only be the Asian century if India and China combine to make it so."
The Indian prime minister quoted Deng in his speech and argued that while India and China will always compete with each other ("there is always a sense of competition between two close and equal neighbors"), the two countries need to "understand the difference between healthy competition and divisive rivalry".
Vajpayee's speeches were not only remarkable for what he said, but also for what he left unsaid. He did not mention the vexed half-a-century border dispute - China occupied a large chunk of territory in Aksai Chin during the 1962 border war that India believes to be its own. Nor did he mention another equally sensitive issue - Chinese military and other help to Pakistan, with whom India has already fought three wars and has been engaged in a low-intensity conflict for the past 13 years.
Also absent from his speeches were Indian fears that China is engaged in a policy of encircling India through developing strategic and military ties with all its hostile and not-so-hostile neighbors, such as Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Myanmar and Nepal.
One of the thorniest issues has been Chinese non-recognition of Indian sovereignty over Sikkim, a state that merged with India in 1975. Article I of the memorandum on expanding border trade, signed on Monday between India and China, states, "The Indian side agrees to designate Changgu of Sikkim state as the venue for border trade market; the Chinese side agrees to designate Renqinggang of the Tibet Autonomous Region as the venue for border trade market." Article II says, "The two sides agree to use Nathu La as the pass for entry and exit of persons, means of transport and commodities engaged in border trade."
The fact that trade between India and China through the Nathu La Pass in "Sikkim state" has been officially described as "border" trade is a clear indication that China has accepted Indian sovereignty over Sikkim. However, though China has consciously decided to accept the Indian position that Sikkim is a part of India - you cannot come to an agreement with India over trade across the border of a third country - the fact remains that it is reluctant to announce this formally, and maintains that this "leftover problem of history" will take time to resolve. It must be conceded that implied de facto recognition is not the same thing as a de jure one. But it is certainly an advance.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EF28Df07.html
The most interesting development in Chinese naval thinking has to do with the recent arrival of the ex-Soviet/Ukranian Varyag. The Chinese had made some claims that she was going to be turned into an amusement park. Since she's arrived in China, no work has been done to make that a reality. I'm confident of two possibilities: 1) The Varyag is going to be completed as an aircraft carier, shipping Mig-29s recently ordered by China or 2) they will use the carrier as a template for one of their own designs. Perhaps choosing the Su-27 as a strike aircraft. Either way, it will be a while before we see a carrier at sea flying the PLAN flag.
Mustang out
mysterious
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Chinese are the world's best at reverse engineering; so you never know what they might be doing with it until they reveal it to you! They're damn good at it man! :smokingc:
The most recent shots I have of that ship show that it is a mess. No work done on it and far from being ready for anything - let alone a casino.mustang said:
The most interesting development in Chinese naval thinking has to do with the recent arrival of the ex-Soviet/Ukranian Varyag. The Chinese had made some claims that she was going to be turned into an amusement park. Since she's arrived in China, no work has been done to make that a reality. I'm confident of two possibilities: 1) The Varyag is going to be completed as an aircraft carier, shipping Mig-29s recently ordered by China or 2) they will use the carrier as a template for one of their own designs. Perhaps choosing the Su-27 as a strike aircraft. Either way, it will be a while before we see a carrier at sea flying the PLAN flag.
Mustang out
It's bordering on being a hulk.
mysterious
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Who knows? The Chinese might be ripping it apart and getting the relevant technical know-how they need out of it to integrate something from there into their own things. :help
They've had the ex-Australian Aircraft Carrier for about 20 years now, so if they take 20 years to evaluate the Varyag then they are in deep design trouble.mysterious said: