PLAN forgot something

[Francois]

What? As far as I know the A12 Sjoormens have probably gotten the same TSM 2233 Mk 2 combat suite that the Scorpenes got. The A12 also probably has the Thales PVDF panel design by Thales retrofitted on them. But what other modifications do you know occurred on them? Please do share?

Not exactly true...

 

[Transient]

Wish you could elaborate. (But I guess you would be in the same position as gf0012) Got those from one of Jane's IDR issues, about a year back. But then, Jane's has been known to get things wrong at least once in a while.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Ok, thanks. One more thing - I'm surprised that the Kilo actually that much noisier than the mod-A12s. Which are you referring to? The 877EKMs or the 636? Or is there no significant difference between those two variants, acoustics wise?

The 636 is substantially quieter than the 877EKM

 

[Big-E]

The 636 is substantially quieter than the 877EKM

If your not going to talk about PLAN at least talk about the mine capabilities of these subs.

 

[gf0012-aust]

If your not going to talk about PLAN at least talk about the mine capabilities of these subs.

did someone ask about mines before? well. they both carry up to 24 mines each

 

[contedicavour]

Swedish subs transfer to Singapore

According to Naval Review of Monch Publishing Group, it isn't the Gotland (A19 class) which is going to Singapore, it is instead 2 of the A17 VasterGotland class that will be transferred.
All these subs with "Gotland" in their names complicate life a bit

The A19 Gotlands were built with AIP and the 3 subs of this class comissioned in '96-97. The 4 older Vastergotland A17s have been either updated with AIP (the last 2, to be retained by Sweden) or sold to Singapore.

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Talking about this thread's original subject, China's MCM capabilities, what about the use of Harbin (local version of Dauphin) and Helix helicopters ? The equipment to conduct ASW operations can be used to identify minefields after all , can't it ?

cheers

 

[renjer]

contedicavour, we were only talking about the possibility that Singapore might want to acquire the Gotland after its lease with the USN ended.

ASW helicopters would certainly be an asset against a mine-laying submarine. I do not know if the PLAN has something similar to the MH-53E in its airborne mine countermeasure role. Anyone?

 

[contedicavour]

contedicavour, we were only talking about the possibility that Singapore might want to acquire the Gotland after its lease with the USN ended.

ASW helicopters would certainly be an asset against a mine-laying submarine. I do not know if the PLAN has something similar to the MH-53E in its airborne mine countermeasure role. Anyone?

Ah ok. I doubt the original Gotland or any of its 2 sisterships is up for sale. Singapore would have to order a new construction ship.
On the helos, the PLAN only has Harbins and Helix, nothing comparable to MH-53s.

cheers

 

[gf0012-aust]

Ah ok. I doubt the original Gotland or any of its 2 sisterships is up for sale. Singapore would have to order a new construction ship.

if the USN hadn't ordered a lease, then there was some very persistent traffic running around that they were about to replicate the danes and get out of the submarine business altogether.

The Swedish Navy is feeling the pinch ATM.

 

[contedicavour]

if the USN hadn't ordered a lease, then there was some very persistent traffic running around that they were about to replicate the danes and get out of the submarine business altogether.

The Swedish Navy is feeling the pinch ATM.

It would be quite a dramatic decision for a country that until recently operated 12 SSKs and was one of the last 3 ones capable of developing and building innovative AIP designs

According to their Ministry of Defense plannings, at least 4-5 SSKs will be kept, with 5 Visby corvettes and 4-6 older Stockholm/Goteborg ones.

cheers