Pakistan to acquire Ukrainian BVR missiles

fieldmarshal

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Agreement soon Pak to acquire Ukraine BVR missiles
Aroosa Alam

link:http://www.pakobserver.net/200407/08/view/?page=1&id=8

Islamabad—Pakistan and Ukraine will soon be signing an agreement for the acquisition of Beyond Visual Range air to air missiles to be fitted on state of the art fighter jet Thunder JF-17, well placed defence sources told Pakistan Observer Wednesday.

Thunder JF-17 is being developed jointly by China and Pakistan and the two sides have conducted a number of test flights of the fighter during last months.

Thunder is now getting into serial production and at least three prototypes of the fighter are conducting dozens of sorties everyday for the validation of various systems.

Pakistan and China recently signed an MoU for the avionics that are to be fitted on the aircraft but two sides have remained quite over the weapon systems that were to be mounted on Thunder.

Chief of the Thunder Project in PAF Air Vice Marshall Shahid Lateef during a recent press briefing, hinted at Pakistan acquiring a BVR missile system for Thunders. He, however, refused to give out the details saying that deal was still under negotiation. Sources told Pakistan Observer that Pakistan and Ukraine have now reached an agreement on the procurement of BVRs under transfer of technology arrangements.

Kamara would be rolling out 16 JF-17 Thunders by end 2006. Eight would be inducted into PAF while remaining 8 will go to China as per agreement of fifty fifty sharing of this winder jet. By year 2007 Kamara would be rolling out 20 Thunders every year and PAF will be requiring bulk of weapon systems which also include BVR air to air missiles.

Every Thunder will be equipped with BVRs. This will be for the first time that Pakistan Air Force will be teethed with this technology which has been long denied by West.

Although not fully confirmed that what kind of BVR Pakistan is acquiring from Ukraine, well placed sources said that it is most likely that Ash (AA-5) will be the choice for PAF.

Medium range air-to-air intercept missile Ash is solid propellant rocket motor. It can carry high explosive blast warhead. At the speed of Mach 1.5, the missile has the maximum range of 30 km.

PAF sources confirmed that deal has been finalized. They, however, don’t give out the financial outlay of the agreement. These sources however described it as a big break for PAF which has been living on edge for more than last one decade due to the absence of a high tech fighter.

PAF sources confirmed that Pakistan is not really well placed to receive F-16s from USA and the country would have to work on other options. Pakistan is very keenly looking towards Russian and Central Asian sources. PAF has already equipped three prototypes of Thunder with Italian FIAR radar system and it is very likely that rest of the Thunders may also be equipped with the same radar. Pakistan under ToT is already producing these radars.
 

fieldmarshal

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This post sounds some wt wacho n the reporter does not know jack bout defence related things. I dont know wt to make of this wt do u guys think. :)
 

adsH

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FM Lol your right, the Idiot reporter here can't tell the difference between the BVR and a WVR, he claims the missile has a range of 30 km :lol is this true, if it is how can it be BVR, Medium range.
 

Oqaab

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fieldmarshal said:
Agreement soon Pak to acquire Ukraine BVR missiles

Medium range air-to-air intercept missile Ash is solid propellant rocket motor. It can carry high explosive blast warhead. At the speed of Mach 1.5, the missile has the maximum range of 30 km.
30 km ?? The Russian R-73 Short Range missile has a range of 31 kms.

This article is nothing but BS.
 

adsH

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Oqaab said:
fieldmarshal said:
Agreement soon Pak to acquire Ukraine BVR missiles

Medium range air-to-air intercept missile Ash is solid propellant rocket motor. It can carry high explosive blast warhead. At the speed of Mach 1.5, the missile has the maximum range of 30 km.
30 km ?? The Russian R-73 Short Range missile has a range of 31 kms.

This article is nothing but BS.
i have no doubt, paf has a acquired the Missile with TOT, ie deal. but the this reporter is lazy and he can't be arsed to do some of his own research. i mean look at indian media they go through stuff properly and they have standard reporting even tho it may be biased.

its not the medium range its the Long range !! because the medium range is the Heat seeking version i think but the long is the radar homing, but i got this information from a Russian site.
 

ashoaib

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Good Pakistan should acquire better and better long range missiles with high tech capabilities.[/b]
 

manna

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hey guys i am a novice to this site , interesting stuff here , so can some one put me wise on the diffrerence of bvr and wvr, and some to also give me info about the differenc e of the su 30 capabilities nd JAs 39 grippen, and one with any comparision plz, i will wait kindly PM me if psssible plz , kindly kindly kindly , i will be gratefull plz, :help
 

yasin_khan

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SAAB JAS 39 Gripen

Origin: Sweden
Type: single-seat all-weather fighter, attack and reconnaissance aircraft
Max Speed: maximum speed supersonic at all altitudes
Max Range 3,250 km / 2,020 miles
Dimensions: span 8.00 m / 26 ft 3 in
length 14.10 m / 46 ft 3 in
height 4.70 m / 15 ft 5 in
Weight: empty 6,622 kg / 14,600 lb
max. take-off 12,473 kg /
27,500 lb
Powerplant: one 8210-kg (18,100-lb) afterburning thrust Volvo Flygmotor RM12 turbofan
Armament: one 27-mm Mauser BK27 cannon; provision for Sky Flash and Sidewinder AAMs, Maverick ASMs, Rb15F anti-ship missiles, bombs, cluster bombs, rocket-launcher pods, reconnaissance pods, drop tanks and ECM pods carried on six external hardpoints
 

yasin_khan

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Sukhoi Su-30 Flanker

Origin: Russia
Type: Two Seat long-range multi-role interceptor
Max Speed: 1,320 mph/2,125 km/h
Max Range 1,864 miles/3,000 km
Dimensions: Span 48ft 3in/14.7m
Length 72ft/21.9m
Height 19ft 6in/5.9m
Weight: Maximum take-off 83,775 lb/38,000 kg
Powerplant: Thrust vectoring AL-31FP turbofans
Armament: Su-30 maximum load is 17,636lb/8,000kg. Typical armament comprises 10 AAMs, including a mix of up to 6 extended-range AA-10 Alamo and up to 6 R-73 close-air combat AAMs, with options of AA-12 Adder
 

umair

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The specs are of a 60's era first generation Soviet AAM used with the Tu-18 Fiddeler.This is total BS
 

adsH

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Guys this is Aroosa Alam!! she is quiet a thinker, she never does anything without a reason. she's sort of playing with Indian analyst/intelligence readers who are no doubt trying to find something on the acquisition. she has cleverly shown her self ignorant here, but she is actually one of the more capable Defense analyst. no doubut PAF is acquiring something along the lines of BVR's but the IDEA would be to keep the Numbers of the BVRs and the Types of the BVR available, a mystery simply to keep the Any aggressor confused, first hand rule, denial of Information, like the current types and numbers of the Mirages AC in service, PAF. Apparently PAF is working with Ukraine on developing new SAM systems and these BVR's. and apparently PAF personnel and engineers have been in Ukraine for quiet a while.

all this came from PakDef.
 

Salman78

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PAF should stick to the AIM-9L it already has or pick one of the chineese AAM's. The Ukranian missile is only good in its IR version. Semi Active Radar Homing missiles are a thing of past and have a severe drawback of manouverability of the firing platform... SD-10, Mica or some denel missile will do just fine
 

alamzebdr

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its a fools paradise to think about paf buying and mating aa-5 with jf-17.such a huge missile with its large wings would get hung on which of jf's pylons.its enormous weight would make thunder's life impossible to take off and fly at a reasonable altitudewhat to talk about manouvrability!.then mating this very old vaccum techonology with the latest digital radar (griffo-s?) of jf-17,again in vain.this missile was built for tu-128's & early mig-25's to counter straight flying non-manouvrable bombers of the bygone era of the 60's! so are we so blinded with our obsession to acquire bvr's that we want to buy scrap, and we just want our jf's to go behind tu-138's, il-76m's and tu-142's but mind you they have the latest upgrades of russian &israeli ecm's.also remember the aerodynamic problems faced by the ill fated f-20 tigershark when combined with aim-7f sparrow(small aircraft and large missile) but here jf is roughly the size of f-20 & aa-5 has twice the size of the sparrow(with least efficent performance).so its not even a worth idea for the good of paf.
 

Salman78

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I agree that PAF should not adopt this IR missile unless there is a newer version of aa-5 with atleast equal performance of aa-11 archer. already jf-17 can carry only 4 missiles compared to 6 on mig-29, 8 on mirage 2000 and 12 on su-30.

PAF should try to get hold of ASRAAM or AIM 9X.
 
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