Pakistan could have 110 N-bombs by year end

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P.A.F

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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_19-8-2005_pg1_7


Pakistan could have 110 N-bombs by year end
By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: By the end of the current year, Pakistan will have produced enough weapons grade uranium to manufacture 50 to 110 nuclear weapons against India’s 75 to 110.

According to a study published by the Non-proliferation Centre of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, India may be producing significant quantities of highly enriched uranium at its gas-centrifuge plant in Trombay, outside Mumbai, though the amounts produced remain unknown. The study says both India and Pakistan possess components to deploy a small number of nuclear weapons within a few days or weeks, with fighter-bomber aircraft being the most likely delivery vehicle.

Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are stored in component parts, with the fissile core separated from the non-nuclear explosives. It is not known where the fissile material and warheads are stored. India, states the study, continues to produce nuclear materials for use in weapons and has not officially said how many weapons it has and how many it intends to produce. Pakistan has been equally discreet.

One of the authors of the study, Miriam Rajkumar, has authored a brief that criticises the Bush administration for reversing decades of US non-proliferation policy by agreeing to provide India with nuclear fuel. “President Bush thus accorded India a much sought after seat in the ‘responsible’ nuclear club,†she wrote.

‘Nuclear Arsenals,’ as the study is named, makes the point that from an Indian perspective, the nuclear tests of 1998 raised its visibility and clout in the post-Cold War era. “If US attention is a measure of respect and status, then the nuclear tests have ultimately achieved India’s objectives,†according to the authors. The study said the Bush administration has forgotten the benchmarks set by its predecessor for India and Pakistan to be allowed out of the nuclear “doghouse†after their 1998 tests that led to punitive US sanctions.

“Beyond ensuring that Kashmir does not explode, the Bush administration has decided to downplay nuclear nonproliferation concerns so that it can renew defence ties and establish strategic relations with India. It also believes that Washington and New Delhi “see eye-to-eye on anti-missile systems†and predicts that all Indian governments will remain committed to weaponisation, even if budget and technical realities and international political considerations continue to act as a restraining factor.

A study by the Congressional Research Service meanwhile that if the Indo-US nuclear accord is endorsed by Congress, the resulting cooperation would contravene the multilateral export control guidelines of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG). “At a time when the United States has called for all states to strengthen their domestic export control laws and implementation and for tighter multilateral controls, US nuclear cooperation with India would require loosening its nuclear export legislation, as well as creating a an NSG exception.â€

Such a deal could prompt other suppliers like China to justify their supplying other states, like Pakistan. The report does not consider the steps India has agreed to take as sufficient. “Separating civilian and military facilities, placing civilian facilities under IAEA safeguards, and applying additional protocol and all positive steps, but place India squarely in the company of nuclear weapon states. There are no measures in this global partnership to restrain India’ nuclear weapons programme,†the Congressional Research Service maintains.

It argues that the existence of India’s nuclear weapons programme negates potential nonproliferation assurances that nuclear safeguards on civil facilities might provide. It says, “A significant question if how India, in the absence of full-scope safeguards, can provide adequate confidence that US peaceful nuclear technology will not be diverted to nuclear weapons purposes.†The report points out that even if Congress approves the Indo-US deal, the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission would still have to license nuclear exports under the agreement.

The US president would also need to waive certain provisions of existing US law to keep India supplied because of India’s continuing nuclear weapons programme.

On the same subject, New York Democratic Congressman Joseph Crowley told India Abroad in an interview that the Indo-US nuclear deal would be a “tough sell†to Congress because of is implications for nonproliferation. Asked how he would vote on the issue, he replied, “I’ll have to take a look and see just how it comes up and what the parameters are that the bill comes under and what amendments will have to be made in order to allow India to be qualified for that technology.

There may be room here for compromise.†He was of the view that India would do well to sign the NPT, something India has refused to do – like Pakistan – as it considers the Treaty discriminatory.

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:eek :eek :eek i thought we only had something like 10-40
 

mysterious

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Well not really. A reasonably credible estimate in 2001 suggested a number of 55 nuclear weapons so I wont really be surprised if after four years its been doubled. But this is just regarding the enriched uranium. They haven't even mentioned plutonium. As far as I've been able to dig up, Pakistan does harvest plutonium for weapons as well and is believed to be having around 10 plutonium bombs.
 

kashifshahzad

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mysterious said:
Well not really. A reasonably credible estimate in 2001 suggested a number of 55 nuclear weapons so I wont really be surprised if after four years its been doubled. But this is just regarding the enriched uranium. They haven't even mentioned plutonium. As far as I've been able to dig up, Pakistan does harvest plutonium for weapons as well and is believed to be having around 10 plutonium bombs.
Reuters contributed to this report. The Nuclear Capabilities of India & Pakistan
India
End of year 2000
WGPu* 430
No. of weapons 86
Pakistan
End of 2000
WGU** 720
No. of weapons 36***

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*Weapons-grade plutonium, in kilograms
**Weapons-grade uranium, in kilograms
***Assumes enriched uranium production resumes in 1998
Source: Institute for Science and International Security
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MYST here it is written that Pakistan dosent enrich plotonium
P.A.F your collected information shows less weapon grade enriched uranium then that of my collected information.
 

mysterious

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kashifshahzad, not to turn this in to a debate about who has more accurate information or whose collection is giving what estimates but you should know this is why we rely on multiple sources and not just one! You are providing information from the year '2000' and I stated 'credible' estimates from the year ending "2001". Pakistan DOES harvest plutonium from one of the Chashma plants and has about 10 plutonium bombs along with its arsenal of uranium ones. I suppose you search a bit more.
 

aaaditya

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plus that aticle doesnt take into consideration india's tritium stockpile produced from heavy water
(used in a boosted fission bomb).:D

these kinds of information should not be beleived because they are ultra top secret and can severely damage a nation's security.:coffee
 

mysterious

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Well aaaditya, tritium is harvested in Pakistan as well but here we're only taking uranium and plutonium in to consideration because both countries have warheads of the two-types. There is 'no' information which could identify whether either of the two countries have used tritium (yet) in warheads so it exists only in stockpile form. Once they perfect the technology to go for a tritium warhead, it would certainly start to count.
 

Defcon 6

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Heres a question. Where are they going with their nuclear weapons programs? Didn't they learn anything from the U.S-U.S.S.R cold war? Nuclear weapons won't solve anything. And who cares if they build their nuclear bombs. They still don't have the technology for a ICBM. Oh...and 40 kt? HA. Weak.
 

P.A.F

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Defcon 6 said:
Heres a question. Where are they going with their nuclear weapons programs? Didn't they learn anything from the U.S-U.S.S.R cold war? Nuclear weapons won't solve anything. And who cares if they build their nuclear bombs. They still don't have the technology for a ICBM. Oh...and 40 kt? HA. Weak.
Pakistan uses its nuclear capability for a deterent. In other words if it gets touchs then u get nuked. So far, it has proven to be a greatly valued asset to the nation as it has prevented a attack from other countries. So yes, they have come in handy. And what makes u so sure that they don't have the ICBM tech?
 

Defcon 6

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P.A.F said:
Pakistan uses its nuclear capability for a deterent. In other words if it gets touchs then u get nuked. So far, it has proven to be a greatly valued asset to the nation as it has prevented a attack from other countries. So yes, they have come in handy. And what makes u so sure that they don't have the ICBM tech?
Obviously you don't understand the technology behind ICBM's. They just finished testing a cruise missile and they thought it was new and spectacular. Besides, you need silo's to launch ICBM's accurately and they don't have them. Nor do they have any advanced satellites.
 

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IMHO, Pakistan doesn't need ICBMs but since India is developing one, that may pressure Pakistan to make one for it's own. Now, does Pakistan have ICBM technology is something we don't know. It's safe to say that Pakistan doesn't since there is no out standing ICBM under development in pakistan.
 

Hussain

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Pakistan's nuclear Missile arsenal is only really aimed at India at present as a deterrence? Why would Pakistan need ICBM's. They can use ther subs for any long range strike capability. ICBM's are also WMD's and ther use means mass destruction. Who wants that?
 

Defcon 6

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Hussain said:
Pakistan's nuclear Missile arsenal is only really aimed at India at present as a deterrence? Why would Pakistan need ICBM's. They can use ther subs for any long range strike capability. ICBM's are also WMD's and ther use means mass destruction. Who wants that?
Submarines? Sorry, Pakistan doesn't have any useful missile subs. Neither does India. Can you say sitting ducks? ICBM's? any nuclear weapon is an weapon of mass destruction.
 

Hussain

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Who knows but the potential is there for the new French subs to launch missiles . The US and Russia have subs for the nuclear strike roles and they're hardly dead ducks. ICBM's carry large warheads and travel long distances not merely for the purposes of attacking strategic targets but centres of mass poulation. ICBM's are indiscriminate that's why the US is attempting to build more low yield nuclear weapons for use against strategic targets such as underground bunkers etc. I think times are changing?
 

Defcon 6

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Hussain said:
Who knows but the potential is there for the new French subs to launch missiles . The US and Russia have subs for the nuclear strike roles and they're hardly dead ducks. ICBM's carry large warheads and travel long distances not merely for the purposes of attacking strategic targets but centres of mass poulation. ICBM's are indiscriminate that's why the US is attempting to build more low yield nuclear weapons for use against strategic targets such as underground bunkers etc. I think times are changing?
You took everything I said out of context.
First of all, about the nuclear missile submarines. The U.S and Russia have been developing and perfecting their submarine designs for over fifty years. So the idea that India or Pakistan could build one of the same state of the art qualities is ridiculous. So yes, India or Pakistan building nuclear missile subs would be sitting ducks.

Secondly I know perfectly well what an ICBM is. Did you know it stands for intercontintental ballistic missile? In fact, they don't carry large warheads. They usually carry multiple re-entry vehicles of low yield. As in Kilo-tons rather than mega-tons.

The U.S already has bunker busting nukes, but they are less effective than the 42,000 lb daisy cutters ect.

Times are always changing bud.
 

Hussain

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Pakistan's subs are state of the art so it doesn't really matter if they've had fifty yrs or two yrs to induct such technology.Pakistani scientists are amongst the best in the world and therefore in a position to minuturise warheads to fit submarine launched missiles. If we are talking about numbers of weapons it is in Pakistans advantage to have as many delivery systams as possible. The only real issue in the case of Pakistan, India, China and Israel would be is there a command and control structure there to prevent accidental launch of such weapons.
 

aaaditya

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Defcon 6 said:
You took everything I said out of context.
First of all, about the nuclear missile submarines. The U.S and Russia have been developing and perfecting their submarine designs for over fifty years. So the idea that India or Pakistan could build one of the same state of the art qualities is ridiculous. So yes, India or Pakistan building nuclear missile subs would be sitting ducks.

Secondly I know perfectly well what an ICBM is. Did you know it stands for intercontintental ballistic missile? In fact, they don't carry large warheads. They usually carry multiple re-entry vehicles of low yield. As in Kilo-tons rather than mega-tons.

The U.S already has bunker busting nukes, but they are less effective than the 42,000 lb daisy cutters ect.

Times are always changing bud.
well pakistan's missiles are meant to be a deterrent against india and india's are meant to be a detterent against china.
also icbm's are fully road mobile,placing icbm's in silos makes them vulnerable to attack.:coffee
 
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