PAK-FA / T-50: Russian 5th Generation Fighter

[Haavarla]

Now that the pak fa is out n how it closely resemble the leaked photos, I think the chinese attempt will look closely like this going by the experience they gained from their J 10 and perhaps the documentation of the MIG 1.42 fighter.

Nice illustration.
But i think the stabilizers would fall off in high speed/high-G turn

And those big flippy carnards just screams "here i am" conserning RCS.



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[Feanor]

you are right. I heard that the Mig-1.42 was technologically superior to the Su-47 but it cost around 110 million dollar per unit sth Russia could not afford, so they chose sukhoi as their project was more cost effective. I also heard that the t-50 has its origins fro not just the Su-47 but also the Mig-1.42, Is it true?

Yes, the MiG 1.44/1.42 was considered in the T-50 design. I have no idea what the projected costs for it were. I do know that it was not a 5th generation aircraft by most standards.

 

[Andracottus]

It is amazing that every new 5th Gen fighter being planned or produce is in competence with JSF-35 not F-22, including J-XX & PAK-FA. EF-2000 seems to be in another league but still doesnt measure upto F-22 Raptor. Seems like world is simply giving away the advantage to Raptors.

the pak fa is the worlds best fighter aircraft in the making.if you compare with the "CRAPTOR"
you'll see what i mean .if a naval version of the pak fa is ready by 2015,i'd say USA can wish death.

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[Bonza]

the pak fa is the worlds best fighter aircraft in the making.if you compare with the "CRAPTOR"
you'll see what i mean .if a naval version of the pak fa is ready by 2015,i'd say USA can wish death.

You might want to tone down your commentary and try being a bit more civil in your dealings here. Just friendly advice.

 

[Feanor]

the pak fa is the worlds best fighter aircraft in the making.if you compare with the "CRAPTOR"
you'll see what i mean .if a naval version of the pak fa is ready by 2015,i'd say USA can wish death.

Preceptor has already made the point in regards to following the rules to you. I'd like to add that your comment is not only trollbait, it's also a sign of complete lack of knowledge in the subject.

 

[kgb_agent]

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[Bonza]

T-50 is the peaceware only. Usa usually became more constructive in negotiations, if against their raptor, someone has smth like t-50. it is old cowboy tradition - do not respect anybody if there is no big colt in his pocket.

So the US don't respect anybody unless they have military power? That's what you're trying to insinuate, right? That the US are "cowboys" and the PAK FA is Russia's way of getting respect? I think you'll find there's a few holes in your theory...

For example, I don't suppose you've factored each country's gigantic nuclear arsenal into this "big colt" idea of yours?

This "PAK FA vs Raptor" business really has to stop. The two aircraft are almost irrelevant to the relationship between Russia and the United States. If you're looking for evidence of military influence on their relationship, then as I said above, look at strategic assets like nuclear weapons. Don't compare tactical platforms.

 

[OPSSG]

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[Scorpion82]

The MiG-MFI program iirc survived until early 2000s. It even flew. I think it was beaten by Sukhoi not only for technical reasons, but also largely for political and financial reasons. Otherwise the project may have survived.

The MiG MFI was in fact completed and conducted its first flight on 29th February 2000, RAC MiG paid for the completion itself and the aircraft was essentially a technology demonstrator like the Su-47. These aircraft got the status of an experimental aircraft assigned, after the MFI programme was cancelled. The MFI programme was over however at the time the aircraft were flown and tested, though Sukhoi received some state funding for the flight tests, unlike RAC MiG.

 

[Feanor]

The MFI was not completed. What was completed was an early prototype. Much more work would have had to be done, to get it into shape for a serial production run.

 

[Pathfinder-X]

Now that the pak fa is out n how it closely resemble the leaked photos, I think the chinese attempt will look closely like this going by the experience they gained from their J 10 and perhaps the documentation of the MIG 1.42 fighter.

That CG has close to nothing in common with CAC's design, except the canards.

 

[gf0012-aust]

the pak fa is the worlds best fighter aircraft in the making.if you compare with the "CRAPTOR"
you'll see what i mean .if a naval version of the pak fa is ready by 2015,i'd say USA can wish death.

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[gf0012-aust]

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[Scorpion82]

The MFI was not completed. What was completed was an early prototype. Much more work would have had to be done, to get it into shape for a serial production run.

With completed I meant that the prototype was completed to perform its first flight. My bad. According to the recent rumours the T-50 conducted a second test flight on Saturday and will perform 6 flights, before the aircraft will be moved to Zhukovsky. I wonder when the second prototype will fly, as it has conducted the high speed taxi trials on 23rd January.

 

[SkolZkiy]

As I know 3 flying prototypes are in different state of readyness.

 

[Haavarla]

As I know 3 flying prototypes are in different state of readyness.

You can see two T-50 prototype in the KNAAPO asembly line in a vid..its somewhere on youtube.
One of them looks much more completed.

I'll try to find it.




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[Haavarla]

How about a T-50KUB for You

 

[PeterCrisp]

I'm sorry if this is the wrong place for this question but now that pilots have been shown in air races to be able to take over 9G (some can pull 10 or 11 G for brief periods) does anyone think this aircraft will be rated for manoeuvres over 9G?
I know the airframe itself will most likely be able to do over 9G but will the flight systems allow it?
I ask here as this is going to be I assume pretty dam agile when it finally gets through flight testing.

 

[Haavarla]

I'm sorry if this is the wrong place for this question but now that pilots have been shown in air races to be able to take over 9G (some can pull 10 or 11 G for brief periods) does anyone think this aircraft will be rated for manoeuvres over 9G?
I know the airframe itself will most likely be able to do over 9G but will the flight systems allow it?
I ask here as this is going to be I assume pretty dam agile when it finally gets through flight testing.

When the FCS(Flight Control system) or the G-limiter is engaged, it will automaticly bounce off the 9 G limits and see to it that it don't exceed it in longer sustained high-G turns.

These systems are VERY important for safty reasons, or you will risk lose aircraft and pilot.
Most likely outcome is that the you'll rip off parts(wing, stabilizers etc) from the aircraft if you mess with the G-limiter switch



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[Haavarla]

I'm sorry if this is the wrong place for this question but now that pilots have been shown in air races to be able to take over 9G (some can pull 10 or 11 G for brief periods) does anyone think this aircraft will be rated for manoeuvres over 9G?
I know the airframe itself will most likely be able to do over 9G but will the flight systems allow it?
I ask here as this is going to be I assume pretty dam agile when it finally gets through flight testing.

Ah, maybe you have been watching some of the Red Bull races on Youtube?

Yes the pilots there can manage up to 13 G, but that is very breefly. And they risk beeing desquallified for it..
Again these limits are for safty reasons, both for pilots and aircraft.

The Engines performance on a military aircraft is just as important as manuvrebility.
To sustain and regain lost enegy in hard manuvering, Fuel consumtion/economy etc etc..



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