NZDF General discussion thread

Cadredave

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I'll leave speculating about Defence Review plans on aircraft and ships until the Review is released, next month now, as speculating is rather pointless without any concrete facts etc.

Back to Afghanistan briefly, in late August the DefMin confirmed that NZ won't be cutting and running. A presence will be maintained for security in Bamiyan (and no doubt other small elements will continue to imbed themselves with Coalition units for experience etc).

Afghanistan stay likely to last till 2013 | Stuff.co.nz




Also I saw on TVNZ tonight that NZ requested some M-ATV's from the US (but they couldn't be released until US forces were equipped with them first). Interesting to note that NZ is still keen on obtaining them - must be at the top of the NZDF operational vehicle wishlist.

Modern vehicle which US use might have saved Kiwi soldier | NATIONAL News



Good to see MSM in NZ has finally worked out (after a few years) that the Humvee is no longer a frontline vehicle for US Forces.

Talking about the MSM, I wonder what happened with them finally figuring out that the NZDF needs its own UAV's in Afghanistan and the DefMin ordering a report into why the NZ Kahu couldn't be deployed? I assume the issue could be to do with control and command, and interoperability etc? Anyone able to comment?
I find it a bit rich when the minister orders a report on why Kahu has not deployed, since he was given a complete demonstration and more importantly what it could & couldn't do, UAV yes they are a must but not the model we have, we need something with a bit more staying power (endurance) & the ability to operate in very high altitudes, I hope we lease something better than Kahu.
 

recce.k1

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A109LUH & NH90 update

The first of the A109LUH's due in NZ early 2011 and NH90's mid-2011. A109 aircrew already training in Italy and NH90 aircrews deploying to France next month for their training...

Air team off to France to train on new copters
By JONATHON HOWE - Manawatu Standard
Last updated 12:00 09/10/2010
Air team off to France to train on new copters | Stuff.co.nz

The Defence Force's new multi-million-dollar fleet of helicopters will be soaring through Manawatu skies from May next year.

A team of 23 New Zealand pilots, technicians and crew members will travel to France from next month to begin training with the eight NH90 helicopters, which cost $771 million.

The first two NH90s are expected to be cargoed by air to the Ohakea Air Force Base in late July or early August next year.

The Defence Force has also purchased five A109 light utility helicopters, worth $139 million, which will replace the Vietnam era two-seater Sioux trainers.

The A109s will be shipped to Ohakea at the beginning of next year with the first two expected to be operational from May.

Deputy Secretary of Defence Des Ashton said all the helicopters would require extensive tests before they became operational.

"It should be noted that schedule for the commencement of operations for both types of helicopters depends as much on the availability of trained people, technical data and spares and other factors, as on the availability of the helicopters themselves," he said.

Crews are currently in Italy completing their training with the A109s, but 14 technicians will fly to France next month to begin working with the NH90s.

Six pilots and three crew members will join them in January.

The helicopters will be based at Ohakea's new 3 Squadron hangar, where they will eventually replace the ageing fleet of 13 Iroquois helicopters.

The 3 Squadron hangar cost about $26m to build and also features office space, training rooms and storage areas. A Mission Support Squadron workshop and flight simulator have also been built.

Squadron Leader Kavae Tamariki said the people deploying for overseas training in France and Italy were part of a Helicopter Transition Unit (HTU).

"Once operational tests and evaluation of the new fleets is complete and they are ready to commence in-house training, the HTU will be disbanded and all of the personnel and equipment will transfer to No 3 Squadron."

The Iroquois, which have been used by the Defence Force since 1966, will remain in the fleet but will eventually be put into long-term storage, he said.

"This is the first step in a phased draw-down of the Iroquois capability as personnel transition to the new aircraft."

Once the Iroquois are fully withdrawn from service, they will be disposed of according to standard air force procedures, he said.
 

Lucasnz

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The NZ MoD's 2010 Annual Report - September 2010 has been released.
http://www.defence.govt.nz/pdfs/reports-publications/annual-report-2010.pdf

(The NZ MoD provides "policy advice on defence matters" to the Govt).

Re: page 15 of the report (equates to page 20 of the PDF), can anyone explain, under the paragraph "Advice provided on air projects", what is meant by the phrase "Tier Two Air Capabilities"?
Not a clue, but in the context of everything laid out on the page I would hope it means the MB339.

On a side note the MOD has published all the public submissions on its website. The majority were one liners, dealt with the deployment of the SAS and generally weren't very detailed, not to mention a number of nutter submissions.
 

recce.k1

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NZDF in Afghanistan

The PM interviewed after the East Asia Summit is offering a hint in relation to the plans to withdraw the NZSAS from Kabul in March .... either that will happen or one-third will remain to continue to work with the Afghan CRU....

Plans on the reduction of the Bamiyan PRT is still on the table but needs the timeframe and personnel numbers to take into account the security situation there (eg in light of previous IED attacks).
 

Lucasnz

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Defence Review Released

The defence review has been released.

From the executive summary:

New Zealand and its associated states are highly unlikely to face a direct military threat over the next 25 years. But increased pressure on maritime resources and an increased risk of illegal migration are likely.

The outlook for the South Pacific is one of fragility. The resilience of Pacific Island states and the effectiveness of regional institutions will remain under pressure. With Australia, which will remain our most important security partner, we will continue to playa leadership role in the region, acting as a trusted friend to our South Pacific Neighbours

Our security interests and the strategic outlook suggest that the principal tasks for the NZDF over the next 25 years will remain much as they have been, but potentially with intensified demands. To conduct such tasks, the NZDF will focus on deployable ground forces, strategic projection and logistic capacity, network-enabled intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities, and capabilities able to fulfil a credible combat role.

It is also proposed that naval combat capabilities be upgraded, to ensure that the
ANZAC frigates continue to provide a valued contribution to coalition operations. Shortrange
maritime patrol aircraft and satellite imagery are also part of the proposed force
structure, to enhance New Zealand's domestic and regional border and maritime
resource protection capability.

The Defence estate will be overhauled, with a particular focus on consolidating bases (particularly by creating a joint Army and Air Force facility at Ohakea), optimizing facilities and off-base housing (including by accelerating the sale of surplus stock), and exploring Public Private Partnerships.

In the highly unlikely event of a direct threat to our territory or seas by a hostile state, the NZDF would be called upon to respond. It would be expected to provide at least a level of deterrence sufficient for New Zealand to be able to seek international assistance if required
There will be a significant shake up of Defence Real Estate.

In terms of capability the tanker will be replaced with a ship with some sealift capability. Resolution and Manawanui will be replaced with a single Littoral Support Ship. The ANZAC's will be upgraded and replaced at the end of life, though the replacement will take into account a wider range of naval combat options expected to be availabe then. An upgrade of the OPV & IPV armament will be examined and Canterbury will continue to be upgraded and be replaced with a similar vessel.

It appears the army will be reshaped to ensure that it can sustain a maximum land force deployment of 800 personnel of two rotations per year (each lasting six months) for up to three years in a mid-intensity environment. That would suggest a third battation when you consider a third Land Combat Force Logitics support group is to be established. Artillery and Mortars will be replaced and the LAV fleet will go from 105 vehicles to around 90 with modifications to some in order to enhance medical and C&C.

The Airforce is to get 3 additional A-109's. No word the MB339, but a report of pilot training is due next year. In addtion new MPA to supplement the Orions will be acquired. Report also mentioned upgrade of self defence and ASW capability on the Orion in order to contirbute to maritime ops. Replacement will be a manned or unmanned aircraft in 2025. SeaSprites will be either replaced or upgraded at the mid life point.

Overall not bad (i.e nothings getting cut and some things are being improved). Given the spend over the next few years (MPA, Additonal Helicopters, Tanker, Littoral Warfare ship before replacing the P-3 etc) the need to find some savings in the current economic climate were important. Disappointing that the MOD and NZDF aren't going to be merged.
 

KH-12

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I agree it looks pretty reasonable given the budgetary constraints, interesting to me is the potential addition of upgraded ASW capability to the P3 fleet given this has been neglected for a number of years and repeatedly dumped from upgrade proposals in the past, would have been nice to see an Maritime strike capability as well with the addition of Harpoons.

Also interesting to see possible weapon upgrades for the OPV/IPV, can imagine this would be mini-typhoon mounts to give better protection for the OPV's as per the ANZAC upgrades and a stabilised mount for the IPVs.
 

recce.k1

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No capability cuts and some improvments (although I believe more is required however it's a start in this financial climate etc). Good to see ISR, networked Command and Control (and interoperability etc) gaining more importance etc.

Here's the equipment "detail" (although no decisons have been released on types etc). Interesting that the 757's and C130's are likely to be replaced at roughly the same time as that opens up other options now etc. Army does well as it is restructured (but loses 15 LAV's instead of 30-odd as rumoured earlier and shake up at Linton will be interesting in terms of work opportunities for families if consolidated at Ohakea). Navy does well (inc. ANZAC upgrade & replacement vessels). Air Force, improvements (and as Lucas says, let's see what the pilot training study recommends in terms of the MB339. The PM & DefMin in the media today have ruled out a proper ACF due to costs though).

Developing NZDF capability
Land Combat and Combat Support forces
5.23 At present, the deployment of land forces is limited by personnel numbers, and by shortages in self-protection and support capabilities.
5.24 The planned force structure will see the Army reshaped to increase the combat utility, sustainability, and potential scale of deployments. This reconfiguration will provide sufficient depth to sustain a maximum land force deployment of 800 personnel of two rotations per year
(each lasting six months) for up to three years in a mid-intensity environment. This increase will help ensure that the NZDF can conduct its tasks in a way which is consistent with recent operational experience.
5.25 One infantry company will be trained with a wider range of higher-end skills, allowing it not only to operate as a regular infantry company but also to undertake some more demanding tasks and, if needed, support Special Forces operations.
5.26 The Special Forces themselves will be enhanced to alleviate the strain caused by current operational demands.
5.27 These various improvements will require an increase in front line Army personnel. This increase will, at least in part, be achieved by redistributing existing resources from the middle and back, as recommended in the VfM review.
5.28 The current Light Armoured Vehicle (LAV) fleet of 105 will be reduced to around 90 vehicles, and some will be reconfigured to provide variants such as battlefield ambulances and command and control vehicles. Vehicles from this reduced fleet will be upgraded as operational requirements require. This will allow them to remain effective in a range of tasks, including in higher-end conflict environments.
5.29 Supporting firepower to deployed land forces will be maintained, with the existing Light Guns and Mortars replaced with like capabilities at end of life.
5.30 There will also be sustained investment in capabilities that support deployed land forces. These include programmes to provide a battlefield Command and Control system (with its supporting communications and ISR sensor network), and to replace the NZDF's general service vehicle fleet (including medium and heavy vehicles, trailers, and mechanical handling equipment).
5.31 Over the next two years, the programme to bring the new helicopter fleet into service will continue. These new helicopters will represent a step-change in the support given to land forces. The NH90 will be the primary tactical troop transport aircraft, with the A109 conducting lighter roles. It is planned that both will be fitted with self-protection to enable them to operate in more hostile environments.
5.32 To maximise the utility of the relatively inexpensive A109s, a further three will be acquired to provide an operationally deployable output plus training.

Strategic Lift
5.33 The NZDF will have a small but adequate airlift capability once the C-130 upgrade is complete. It has only one sealift ship (HMNZS Canterbury), which is being progressively modified to improve its operational effectiveness.
5.34 The current upgrade programme for the five C-130H Hercules aircraft will continue, maintaining the NZDF’s independent airlift capability. The aircraft will be replaced at end of life (around 2020) with an equivalent — or better — capability. Decisions on the appropriate replacement will be informed by a study to be concluded before the next Defence Review in 2015.
5.35 In considering the most appropriate airlift fleet mix, this study will also take account of the most effective use of the jet airlift currently provided by the two B757s. The roles, capabilities, and cost effectiveness of the current B757 fleet will be assessed, and the optimal configuration of any strategic jet transport capability will be determined.
5.36 The sealift ship (HMNZS Canterbury) will receive remedial work to address the existing deficiencies in operational capability. The operational effectiveness of the ship will be maintained, and it will be replaced with a similar capability at end of life.

Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (including maritime patrol)
5.37 Non-defence maritime patrol requirements cannot currently be met by the NZDF.*13 Capabilities have been enhanced by the introduction of the Offshore and Inshore Patrol Vessels, but the lack of an effective wide-area surveillance network hinders efficiency, and the asset mix is unbalanced.
5.38 A satellite imagery capability will be introduced to provide sustained and longer-range surveillance, and to ensure that maritime patrol assets are more effectively targeted on areas of interest.
*13 A review study in 2009 indicated a shortfall in the number of annual P-3 Orion flying hours available for effective aerial surveillance of the EEZ, and noted that earlier studies had identified a potential lack of sea-going days available from the Inshore Patrol Vessels for the inshore domain.
5.39 The current upgrade of the six P-3 Orions will continue. The aircraft may then progressively be fitted with self-protection and anti-submarine sensors, improving their combat capability and enhancing the ability of New Zealand to contribute more robustly to global efforts. The P-3 Orions will be replaced with an equivalent level of capability, manned or unmanned, in about 2025. Studies closer to this date will determine the types of replacement platform.
5.40 A number of low-end regional surveillance tasks (for both defence and other agencies) could be performed more cost-effectively by using maritime patrol aircraft with short takeoff and landing and sufficient range. The introduction of this capability would increase our surveillance capacity in both the EEZ and the South Pacific.
5.41 To maximise its cost-effectiveness, this new aircraft would also be expected to perform a transport and multi-engine flying training and consolidation function, as currently provided by the B200 King Air. An indicative business case is being prepared, with the intention of acquiring this new capability as soon as practicable.
5.42 A study of Pilot Training options is scheduled to be completed by early 2011. It will take into account the capabilities to be provided by the proposed new maritime patrol aircraft and the need for training to match the full range of operational demands made on aircrew. The merits of acquiring a simulator for some aspects of pilot training will also be explored.
5.43 The Offshore Patrol Vessels and Inshore Patrol Vessels will be replaced at the appropriate date. In the meantime the merits of enhancing the sensors and armaments of these vessels are being investigated.
5.44 The two ships currently used for diving, mine counter measures, and military hydrographic operations will be replaced by one ship. The new ship will consolidate a number of linked capabilities, and will have the speed to provide timely support to operations. Hydrographic work, which is currently conducted by both the Navy and the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA), will be rationalised.
5.45 To make best use of the information flows that the new ISR capabilities will provide, a corresponding increase in the capacity of the NZDF and the National Maritime Coordination Centre to process and analyse collected information will need to be considered.

Combat Capability
5.46 Army land combat units, Special Forces, and ANZAC frigates currently provide effective, credible combat capabilities which the Government can deploy alongside partner forces if it so chooses. The combat capability of the ANZAC frigates will rapidly degrade without a self defence upgrade.
5.47 This force structure will see the ANZAC frigates given a self-defence upgrade to address obsolescence and to improve their defensive capability against contemporary air and surface threats. The two frigates will be replaced at end of life (projected at around 2030), taking account of the wider range of naval combat options then expected to be available.
5.48 Naval helicopters will continue to provide extended reach, surveillance, and airdelivered weapon capabilities (air-to-surface missile and anti-submarine torpedo) for the frigates. A review will determine whether it is more cost-effective to upgrade or replace the existing Seasprite helicopters when they are due for an upgrade in the middle of this decade.
5.49 Detailed descriptions of capability developments for other combat-capable elements of the NZDF are covered in earlier sections. They are not repeated here.

Command and Control
5.50 The NZDF currently relie s on the creation of ad hoc command and control arrangements for operational deployments. These take time to establish, placing limitations on the readiness, scale, duration, and effectiveness of the headquarters organisation the NZDF can deploy.
5.51 A trained, equipped, and deployable headquarters organisation will be created, to be activated and staffed when required. This will improve the NZDF’s ability to lead operations, as well as its capacity to contribute to a combined headquarters.

Joint Logistics
5.52 The current Fleet Replenishment Ship (HMNZS Endeavour) will, after 2013, no longer comply with international maritime regulations. A shortfall in logistics personnel currently hampers the NZDF's ability to support deployed land forces.
5.53 HMNZS Endeavour will be replaced, possibly with a more versatile vessel incorporating some sealift capability (to supplement that provided by HMNZS Canterbury).
5.54 A third Land Combat Service Support Group will be established, to mirror the new structure of land combat forces. The Support Groups will also be rebalanced to increase efficiency of support elements, improve the ‘teeth to tail’ ratio, and reduce costs.

Joint Health
5.55 The NZDF needs an extended period of notice and substantial augmentation from civilian medical specialists in order to provide a life- and limb-saving surgical capability to deployed forces.
5.56 A Forward Surgical Team (surgeon, anaesthetist, emergency doctor, and nurses) will be resourced from within the NZDF, including the Reserves. This will enable the NZDF to provide a surgical capability quickly, and to conduct evacuation to out-of-theatre medical facilities. Additional equipment will also be procured.

Conclusion
5.57 The future force set out in this White Paper will increase the sustainability of the NZDF and update a range of capabilities so that they will better meet contemporary threats.
5.58 Applying the lessons of recent operational experience, we will improve the combat effectiveness, protection, and sustainability of land forces, including key supporting capabilities. This should allow the NZDF to deploy troops in greater number, and for longer, than it can at present. This applies to both the regular Army and the Special Forces — whose effectiveness will be further enhanced by improving the support they receive from the regular Army. The mobility of the land forces will be enhanced by the introduction and expansion of the support helicopter fleet.
5.59 This force will ensure that we maintain the ability to deploy and sustain forces across our extensive territorial domain, and beyond it. Strategic air and sealift will remain critical supporting capabilities, and will be maintained and improved. More emphasis will be placed on the effectiveness of a joint, deployable logistics capability.
5.60 It will also see a significant investment made to ensure that the ANZAC frigates continue to provide a valued contribution to coalition operations.
5.61 The effectiveness of the NZDF on operations will be enhanced by the creation of a deployable headquarters capability. Combined with investments in creating a networked Command and Control capability, the NZDF will be better placed to link with partners and — crucially — to lead operations independently.
5.62 There will also be a step-change to the intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capability of the NZDF. The introduction of satellite imagery will increase the ability of the NZDF to monitor and protect our borders and resources, and will ensure effective direction of maritime patrol assets through the inter-agency National Maritime Coordination Centre. The proposed addition of short-range maritime patrol aircraft will provide a more diverse fleet of ISR assets.
5.63 This force strengthens the capabilities most likely to be deployed by the NZDF on operations, both at home and abroad, over the next 25 years.
5.64 It will ensure that the NZDF remains well-placed to protect New Zealand territory and citizens from possible threats, to conduct and lead missions in the South Pacific region, and to make a meaningful contribution to peace and security in the international environment. It will also be equipped to support whole-of government efforts in humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, at home and overseas.
5.65 It will provide a firm foundation for adapting to any shock in the strategic environment.
 
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MrConservative

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I notice Lance Beath gives the DWP a pass mark with the priviso that an air combat capability was not addressed, in any shape or form. However he again mentioned the Macchi's. As an aside the Govt could not make mention of them in the DWP due to them pointlessly extending the old ACF sale until December. For fear that the so called "buyer" may make a legal claim undermining his contractual conditions. So it will be March until that is resolved awaiting what the DWP notes as a "business" case.
 

Navor86

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But what does it mean "more combat troops"?
Will they raise another regular Infantry Bn?
And about this "Special Operations Capable" Company. Will it stay within the structure of a regular Bn,or will they establish a complete new and seperate unit?
 
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Aussie Digger

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But what does it mean "more combat troops"?
Will they raise another regular Infantry Bn?
And about this "Special Operations Capable" Company. Will it stay within the structure of a regular Bn,or will they establish a complete new and seperate unit?
Sounds very much like how 4RAR Commando (now 2nd Commando Regt) started to me...

There may be a political bias against calling them "Commando's" in NZ though, but I bet they are trained, equipped and tasked similarly...

There is a lot of political value in a force like the Commandos, which are quite able to undertake short notice where there is no need for a rotation in situ capability, but which may require a larger force deployed in support of SAS elements...

Such a force also allows the SAS to go back to doing what THEY do best, rather than being employed on larger scale direct action missions, for which they are not best structured...
 

MrConservative

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Sounds very much like how 4RAR Commando (now 2nd Commando Regt) started to me...

There may be a political bias against calling them "Commando's" in NZ though, but I bet they are trained, equipped and tasked similarly...

There is a lot of political value in a force like the Commandos, which are quite able to undertake short notice where there is no need for a rotation in situ capability, but which may require a larger force deployed in support of SAS elements...

Such a force also allows the SAS to go back to doing what THEY do best, rather than being employed on larger scale direct action missions, for which they are not best structured...
You might have missed it on your side of the pond AD, but the former CTTAG which was established in the wake of 9/11 & Bali and attached to 1 NZSAS Group has slowly expanded and since December 2009 has been known as 1 (NZ) Commando. Maybe the old Politically Correct days are passing.

From my reading of the White Paper the "new" company will basically hark back to the former Rangers Company that existed within 1 Battalion RNZIR from 1986 until 1990 when the Palmer Labour Government killed it.
 
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Aussie Digger

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You might have missed it on your side of the pond AD, but the former CTTAG which was established in the wake of 9/11 & Bali and attached to 1 NZSAS Group has slowly expanded and since December 2009 has been known as 1 (NZ) Commando. Maybe the old Politically Correct days are passing.

From my reading of the White Paper the "new" company will basically hark back to the former Rangers Company that existed within 1 Battalion RNZIR from 1986 until 1990 when the Palmer Labour Government killed it.
Hmm. I had heard of the CT team, I wasn't aware they performed "Green" roles though? I had thought it was rather like our TAG-E/W (East and West) CT Teams, which are part of our SOCOMD, but dedicated entirely to the CT role?
 

RubiconNZ

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You might have missed it on your side of the pond AD, but the former CTTAG which was established in the wake of 9/11 & Bali and attached to 1 NZSAS Group has slowly expanded and since December 2009 has been known as 1 (NZ) Commando. Maybe the old Politically Correct days are passing.

From my reading of the White Paper the "new" company will basically hark back to the former Rangers Company that existed within 1 Battalion RNZIR from 1986 until 1990 when the Palmer Labour Government killed it.
I was thinking it would be along the lines of the Ranger Company, interesting to see whether it will be embedded or not, an additional company would go further along the lines of a 800 strong task force.
 

AlDeere

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I have this feeling about America trying to overun us or pressure us into doing something dumb for an excuse for them to invade us. with reccent news it has caught my eyes theyre really not our "Allies" theyre still not recongizing us as a Nuclear Free Nation. One of my theory is that they will use Newzealand as a pitstop for getting resources out of Antartica.. i dont know but theres many other theorys i have but then therefore the weakness of Newzealand defence should be fixed up rather than relying on Australia and dont say we have America to back us up im just saying theres something dodgy going on with them... Therefore why deosnt NewZealand create our own planes and have parts stacked up in a pile ready for mobilzation or something like that. Im pretty concern about Americia though you guys should read the Article it seems like they want to do something with us and that is Nuclear related like i said Pitstop to Antartica but then arnt they the one who wants a nuclear free world aswell? :confused: i dont know what im babbleing on about but yea i have a sick feeling in my guts something is going to happen relating to Americia and not to forget China has more intrest in NewZealand
 

MrConservative

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Hmm. I had heard of the CT team, I wasn't aware they performed "Green" roles though? I had thought it was rather like our TAG-E/W (East and West) CT Teams, which are part of our SOCOMD, but dedicated entirely to the CT role?
No Green roles AD - and the name 1 Commando did raise a few eyebrows since CTTAG was a Black role outfit. Maybe with a bit of maritime work here and there they consider themselves now an "inky blue role" thus the cheeky Commando monicker they felt they could get way with.;)
 
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Aussie Digger

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I have this feeling about America trying to overun us or pressure us into doing something dumb for an excuse for them to invade us. with reccent news it has caught my eyes theyre really not our "Allies" theyre still not recongizing us as a Nuclear Free Nation. One of my theory is that they will use Newzealand as a pitstop for getting resources out of Antartica.. i dont know but theres many other theorys i have but then therefore the weakness of Newzealand defence should be fixed up rather than relying on Australia and dont say we have America to back us up im just saying theres something dodgy going on with them... Therefore why deosnt NewZealand create our own planes and have parts stacked up in a pile ready for mobilzation or something like that. Im pretty concern about Americia though you guys should read the Article it seems like they want to do something with us and that is Nuclear related like i said Pitstop to Antartica but then arnt they the one who wants a nuclear free world aswell? :confused: i dont know what im babbleing on about but yea i have a sick feeling in my guts something is going to happen relating to Americia and not to forget China has more intrest in NewZealand
Why? Is NZ secretly hiding chemical weapons, that they plan to let loose on their neighbours, as part of an overall master plan for world domination?

Don't worry yourself so much. America is NOT going to invade NZ. There is no point and no benefit whatsoever.

Try and fix your spelling and punctuation up a tad, just so your thoughts are actually intelligible for the rest of us and having a good look at the rules of this forum wouldn't hurt either.

We welcome discussion. Long winded, repetitive, ridiculous and difficult to understand rants, not so much...

The rules are here:

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/rules.php
 

MrConservative

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I have this feeling about America trying to overun us or pressure us into doing something dumb for an excuse for them to invade us. with reccent news it has caught my eyes theyre really not our "Allies" theyre still not recongizing us as a Nuclear Free Nation. One of my theory is that they will use Newzealand as a pitstop for getting resources out of Antartica.. i dont know but theres many other theorys i have but then therefore the weakness of Newzealand defence should be fixed up rather than relying on Australia and dont say we have America to back us up im just saying theres something dodgy going on with them... Therefore why deosnt NewZealand create our own planes and have parts stacked up in a pile ready for mobilzation or something like that. Im pretty concern about Americia though you guys should read the Article it seems like they want to do something with us and that is Nuclear related like i said Pitstop to Antartica but then arnt they the one who wants a nuclear free world aswell? :confused: i dont know what im babbleing on about but yea i have a sick feeling in my guts something is going to happen relating to Americia and not to forget China has more intrest in NewZealand
The US is NOT going to take Antartic resources or going to invade us. Complete nonsense to think so. The US are completely committed to protecting Anartica and have been for over 50 years. I fear this sick feeling you describe is that you have imbidded too much booze or on something illegal. Comeback when you have schooled yourself up with both a dictionary and some even basic knowledge on defence. The late A/Cdre Al Deere frankly would be insulted and embarrassed with your post. I agree with your contention that you do not know what you are babbling on about.
 

Cadredave

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I have this feeling about America trying to overun us or pressure us into doing something dumb for an excuse for them to invade us. with reccent news it has caught my eyes theyre really not our "Allies" theyre still not recongizing us as a Nuclear Free Nation. One of my theory is that they will use Newzealand as a pitstop for getting resources out of Antartica.. i dont know but theres many other theorys i have but then therefore the weakness of Newzealand defence should be fixed up rather than relying on Australia and dont say we have America to back us up im just saying theres something dodgy going on with them... Therefore why deosnt NewZealand create our own planes and have parts stacked up in a pile ready for mobilzation or something like that. Im pretty concern about Americia though you guys should read the Article it seems like they want to do something with us and that is Nuclear related like i said Pitstop to Antartica but then arnt they the one who wants a nuclear free world aswell? :confused: i dont know what im babbleing on about but yea i have a sick feeling in my guts something is going to happen relating to Americia and not to forget China has more intrest in NewZealand
Oh great another Consipracy Theorist mate contribute or get off now back to the topic, well I see positive things for Army in the WP, Mr C I think your right Rangers might be coming back, but they need to be based in Auckland & under Command 1NZSAS. I still remember when Rangers came down to Linton & 1RNZIR it did not take long before they lost there skills sets due mainly to CO's who did not know how to use them properly IMO your either a Commando/Ranger or not
we tried before to make them do both roles & it failed lets hope we learn our lessons well.
 

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Defence plan imperils EEZ

Interesting article on Stuff that questions the white paper and resources put into the EEZ. The article is by Rod Oram whom if I remember correctly was the NZH Defence reporter for a number of years.

He advocates the creation of a separate organisation to mange the the EEZ and makes comments on some of the lost opportunities regarding civil-military interaction.

While the article is interesting it doesn't consider wider defence policy issues surrounding the resources allocated to protecting the EEZ.
 
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