Nowadays..Israel and Turkey.

[stoker]

Would you like to clarify that please? Which Arab countries have the aim of 'wiping' Israel out? I have no problems with you being pro-Israeli but at least get your fact rights.

Which Arab countries have the aim of 'wiping' Israel out - Are you joking, every Arab country that has illegally attack Israel in the last 6 wars between Israel and its so called Arab neighbors, and Israel has WON evryone of them, also. check out the UN terrorist listed Islamic nutters HAMAS, also the West Bank FATAH, check out the Islamic nutter from Iran Ahmadinejad, check the Hezbollah manifesto, Syria, the Moslem Brotherhood (Egypt), any others you want

Tell that to the thousands of Arab civilians killed over the years in Lebanon and the 'occupied territories'... All the parties involved have blood on their hands.

What thousands of Arabs killed, post your sources, the vast majority of ALL Arabs killed are killed by so called 'Fellow Arabs, in their hatefilled insane hatred between Sunni & Shi'ite, and any of the other 70 odd Moslem sects, check Iraki & Afghanistan Arabis causes of deaths ( including women & children ) from IED and jihadi Arab terrorists, the ONLY Arabs that have been killed by Israeli' forces have been from self defence when illegally attack by Arab terrorist and military forces.
By the way well over 8,000 rockets/mortars have been fired against innocent Israeli civilians by HAMAS terrorists from Gaza, these illegal, criminal , and COWARDLY attacks result in the deaths of totally innocent Israeli women and children, and what did the brave HAHAS 'soldiers' do when the Israeli Army got stuck in to them, HID behind Palistinian women and children or in Hospital wards.

A way around the blockade would be for Eqypt to open its border and ensure, together with UN or other inspectors, that aid entering Gaza is indeed humanitarian aid that does not include any weapons or materials that can be used for explosives, ammo, etc.

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The reason Eygypt has blockaded HAMAS run Gaza is the same reason that Israel has blockaded HAMAS. to stop the flow of illegal weapons from Iran, and because of the HAMAS interactions with the Moslem Brotherhood Egyptian jihadi elements.
Egypt is also constructing an underground anti-tunnel 'fence' for the same reasons, pity about the corruption endemic in Egypt police/military forces.
And by the way Israel is PERFECTLY LEGAL under U.N. laws to enforce the blockade against ilegal Iranian weapons in to the HAMAS terrorist in Gaza.
The article below from the T5C states far better than I can
The law Israel is referring to for the boarding is Paragraph 146 of the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea. It states that merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral states can be captured outside of neutral waters if they "are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture". Neutral waters are other nation’s territorial seas, international straits, archipelagic sea lanes, etc and does not apply to this particular area of international sea. Paragraph 67 says it’s OK to attack such a ship as well!
San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea

Also Israel has rights under the Oslo Accord (Gaza-Jericho Agreement Annex I, Article XI) to take any measures necessary against vessels suspected of being used for terrorist activities or for smuggling arms, ammunition, drugs, goods, or for any other illegal activity in the Gaza coastline. Combined with the states adjudicative powers under international law provides Israel with the legal right to intercept on the high seas a ship bound for Gaza that they suspect of illegal activity.

There is an appalling lack of even the basic facts on this Forum about Israel's right to exist as a Country, as Jewish Homeland for its Jewish citizens and as free (and the ONLY ]democracy in the entire M.E., and Israel also has equality of rights for women, freedom of religon, and freedom of expression, and respects full citizen ship for ALL minorities, including electionn to Government, and the saddest fact of all the Moslems living in Israel are the safest Moslems in the entire M.E., Israel is the ONLY country in the M'.E. where ALL its Moslem citizens have freedom to practice their own particular Islamic faith without Sharia law killing them of as apostates. Name the last time in Israel when a Moslem killed another Moslem in Israel over religous differences, when was the last time a 'honour' killing of a innocence Moslem female took place, when did the last Female Genital Mutilation take place in Israel ?
ALL the borders in the M.E. are artificial since the days of the Balflour agreement after WW 1.

Jerusalem was built for his Jewish nation by King David over 3000 years ago.( No 'Palestinians in sight, no Moslems either)

Under the Balfour declaration the first 'Palistinians' where the JEWISH inhabit6ants of the area.
(yes)

The Gaza strip was an area 'captured' bt Egypt in the 67 War, the West Bank was an area 'captured' by the Jordanian Bendoiun Forces in the 67 War.

Who is/was the first /or any President of Palestine, when was the enclaves of the West Bank and Gaza declared the Country of Palestine? What is its currency, does have its own passports?

There is a lot of very evil mis-information being spread by Islamic 'propaganda' sources intent on
blackening Israel's good name, unfortunately most people haven't got the education to realize they are being taken for a ride.

 

[chrisdef]

Which Arab countries have the aim of 'wiping' Israel out - Are you joking, every Arab country that has illegally attack Israel in the last 6 wars between Israel and its so called Arab neighbors, and Israel has WON evryone of them, also. check out the UN terrorist listed Islamic nutters HAMAS, also the West Bank FATAH, check out the Islamic nutter from Iran Ahmadinejad, check the Hezbollah manifesto, Syria, the Moslem Brotherhood (Egypt), any others you want

Most of Israel's neighbouring countries havent caused problems for many many years. And even when they have there has generally been alot of provacation from Israel leading upto the attacks.
And listing random "terrorist" groups is just showing your lack of intelligence, the comment was about neighbouring countries not random minority groups within those countries.
I also cant find anything saying Hamas or Fatah are designated terrorists by the UN, or most of the world for that matter, even alot of Western allies of Israel dont have them on there terror lists as they are fighting for there rights just like any other country would.

What thousands of Arabs killed, post your sources, the vast majority of ALL Arabs killed are killed by so called 'Fellow Arabs, in their hatefilled insane hatred between Sunni & Shi'ite, and any of the other 70 odd Moslem sects, check Iraki & Afghanistan Arabis causes of deaths ( including women & children ) from IED and jihadi Arab terrorists, the ONLY Arabs that have been killed by Israeli' forces have been from self defence when illegally attack by Arab terrorist and military forces.

Do a simple google search and found thousands of sources. Even the IDF says it killed around 1100 people with over 300 (international sources say over 900) civilians killed just in the 3 week Gaza war.
Or how bout we go back to the 2006 war in Lebanon where more then 1000 civilians where killed with over 4000 injured.
Either you just dont want to see the truth or have some underlying reading difficulties.

By the way well over 8,000 rockets/mortars have been fired against innocent Israeli civilians by HAMAS terrorists from Gaza, these illegal, criminal , and COWARDLY attacks result in the deaths of totally innocent Israeli women and children, and what did the brave HAHAS 'soldiers' do when the Israeli Army got stuck in to them, HID behind Palistinian women and children or in Hospital wards.

Thats what happens when you illegally occupy there land. If you dont like it simply give back the occupied territories. The small numbers (what is it 100 over 15 years) of Israeli's killed by rockets is nothing compared to those killed by Israel.
I know if Australia was attacked ide do anything to get rid of the attackers, ide hope you would do the same, otherwise perhaps you should go live in Israel.

And by the way Israel is PERFECTLY LEGAL under U.N. laws to enforce the blockade against ilegal Iranian weapons in to the HAMAS terrorist in Gaza.

Says who? Numerous UN officials and the Hague have said its illegal. Ille take there word over yours.
Again to 95% of the world Hamas arent terrorists and as the democratically elected leaders have every right to have weapons to defend themselves.

The law Israel is referring to for the boarding is Paragraph 146 of the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea.

San Remo manual isnt legally binding so is basically meaningless.

There is an appalling lack of even the basic facts on this Forum about Israel's right to exist as a Country, as Jewish Homeland for its Jewish citizens and as free (and the ONLY ]democracy in the entire M.E.

Your lack of knowledge is whats appalling. I havent seen anyone on this thread say Israel doesnt have the right to exist, but the fact is the Palestinians have just as much right to exist.
What everyone is complaing about is there illegal occupation (and settlement which is also illegal) of land given to the Palestinians.

You do realize not a single country in the whole world recognizes Israel's claim to that land? Not even the US who has kept Israel from trouble its whole existence despite all its illegal activities.

 

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The Gaza strip was an area 'captured' bt Egypt in the 67 War, the West Bank was an area 'captured' by the Jordanian Bendoiun Forces in the 67 War.

Who is/was the first /or any President of Palestine, when was the enclaves of the West Bank and Gaza declared the Country of Palestine? What is its currency, does have its own passports?

There is a lot of very evil mis-information being spread by Islamic 'propaganda' sources intent on
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Oohhh my god..this guy putting a lot of garbage on Islamic EVIL propaganda while in the same time talking nonsense on the land of Palestine where the Zionist Jews claim as their land was not populated by the palestine people to begin with. Claiming that this palestine people was an imigrant to begin with, and not a native people base on something that happening 3000 years ago. Well if you want to go back that far, then the Jews basiccaly also grab the land from their original inhabitants in th ename of god those thousands of years ago. You claiming EVIL on one religion while in the same time claiming the right for the jews based on old scripture thousands years ago as the right interpretations on god's will that should be honourd by everyone else.

What a garbage. Did your thick headed thinking even realise that the convoy's was consists many people of different orrigin and many of them not even Moeslem ?? Can you even realise why some greeks join their arch rival turks in this convoy, if they did'nt see massive injustice being done by Israel to the palestinian gaza.

You claim Israel nationhood rights to exist, but in the same time deny the right for palestinian to even stand on their own land. I ussually did not want to engage on political debates..but your comments simpply appauling on the brink of right on racists.

 

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