New Generation western fighters plague with failures?

[gf0012-aust]

Sorry for being a weeeeeee bit off topic but i found these links. The Turkish F-16 was being piloted by Nail Erdogan. It happened in October 1996 and was kept secret by both Greece and Turkey. Apparently two days later the Turkish shot down a Mirage-2000 as reprisal. I also read this story on Janes website.

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Thanks Shamayel

I had it listed as a training loss. :eek

 

[umair]

Tha makes the F16's kill ratio 61:1 still pretty good :roll

 

[Awang se]

It's a miracle that this incident didn't trigger a full scale war.

 

[Awang se]

I just got a look at the video about the world aircraft recently, and saw something that i thought impossible till now. What i saw is a SU-30MK doing a double 360 degrees summersault for few second with 0 forward speed and without losing altitude. Is that a real thing or just a camera trick.

 

[gf0012-aust]

what air show? i have been to bregeut for the last 3 years and have not seen any dble somersaults...

are you saying that it forward rolled on axis with no drop in altitude?

 

[Gremlin29]

It's possible, the maneuver would most likey be performed at the termination of a vertical or near vertical climb. I reiterate what's been said in the past however that these types of maneuvers, as impressive as they are have very little applicability in aerial combat today.

 

[Awang se]

what air show? i have been to bregeut for the last 3 years and have not seen any dble somersaults...

are you saying that it forward rolled on axis with no drop in altitude?

Have u go to the currently held LIMA 2003 in Langkawi? I heard they do that in there too.

 

[Awang se]

It's possible, the maneuver would most likey be performed at the termination of a vertical or near vertical climb. I reiterate what's been said in the past however that these types of maneuvers, as impressive as they are have very little applicability in aerial combat today.

Fom what i heard, they not doing it on the climb or near climb. it was on a perfect forward horizontal move when the Flanker nose suddenly climb up and make a complete summersault while maintaining forward move and current altitude. at least that what i heard. i kind of puzzled either.

 

[gf0012-aust]

what air show? i have been to bregeut for the last 3 years and have not seen any dble somersaults...

are you saying that it forward rolled on axis with no drop in altitude?

Have u go to the currently held LIMA 2003 in Langkawi? I heard they do that in there too.

I did, and I don't recall it being performed. I've seen the cobra done though. They are impressive "show moves" but are tactically useless.

 

[Awang se]

I think i've been misinformed. But i still have the Video though. you should Try to find a video CD about the world military aircraft. maybe you can see it yourself and give your judgement.

 

[gf0012-aust]

I think i've been misinformed. But i still have the Video though. you should Try to find a video CD about the world military aircraft. maybe you can see it yourself and give your judgement.

Would you mind giving me the CD details? I'll see if I can find it then.

 

[Awang se]

I think it sound quite like "the weapons of Destruction of the 21st century". they have many series though about the air, sea and land weapons.