new Chinese fighter jet by Chengdu

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kashifshahzad

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As far as I know the J-10A costs less than 30 mio. USD (slightly cheaper than the F-16C/D). The J-10C with twin engine and stealthy improvements might cost 50-60 mio. USD close to the F/A-18E/F and G Super Hornet's costs. A development country cannot afford it? Usually not but China is an exeception. Let me remind you that China ranks 2nd in world trade right after the US and surpassed Japan earlier this year! Although Chinese military spending still has enough room to purchase such planes of the cost of over 50 mio. USD per unit. We must also consider that the same plane made by Western manufacturers would make it more expensive. If Chengdu succeeds to release a new stealthy fighter jet like the pic from the internet, the PLAAF might purchase 100 or more of them while waiting for the J-XX which supposes to be China's full 5th gen fighter jet. For me it is not clear whether Chengdu or Shenyang would come out with their own stealth fighter first. Officially the stealth fighter project was handed to Shenyang.
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Would there be any partner in that project a joint venture can give benifits to the both sides if Russia can invite India then ehy not China cant invite Pakistan in the 5th gen AC at that time i am sure pakistan will have much more resources then it has in present.
I suggest that China should make its own fighter like Russia and US then it will become a major power in the region i dont think the reverse engnering can help them much.
 
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Hussain

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Guys, can't you see that its a CG modified picture of a Mig MFI. Here's the first picture of the MFI to come up on google: http://airbase.ru/hangar/planes/russia/mig/mfi/pix/mig-1.42.jpg
Now I'm not saying its this exact picture, but the leap is not far. If we difg around we may well find the original MFI picture this was based on.

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That particular picture of ARTICLE 1:42 has been around for at least 10 yrs or so. The F10 looks similar I suppose, but then again the F10 is in production whilst Article 1:42 is on the scrap heap. All the planes appear to have the similar air intakes. I think Article 1:42 was going to use chemicals for stealth coverage.

In any case I think the Chinese, with their economy and military production capabilities, are going to shock the world with type of weaponry they will be able to produce.
 
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What has the J10 got to do with this??? The original picture in this thread is NOT a J10, everyone can see that. if it were real, it'd have 0% airframe commonality with the J10.

You're hypothosising. The hoax is fuelled by what you WANT to believe.
 
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tphuang

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kashifshahzad said:
Would there be any partner in that project a joint venture can give benifits to the both sides if Russia can invite India then ehy not China cant invite Pakistan in the 5th gen AC at that time i am sure pakistan will have much more resources then it has in present.
I suggest that China should make its own fighter like Russia and US then it will become a major power in the region i dont think the reverse engnering can help them much.
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The unofficial word is that China doesn't want to participate in the PAK FA project, but it would probably be interested in some of the sub components, especially engine, since that's probably China's weakest area.

As for pricing of F-16 vs J-10, do you realize that the latest F-16 block 60s cost like 80 million per plane? The Greeks just bought 40 block 50/52+ for 3.1 billion. There is no way J-10s can ever be that expensive.

CAC will come out with a 4.5 or 5th generation plane first, because it has experience from developing J-10 already.
 
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PLA2025

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Yeah, the latest versions of the F-16's (Block 60 etc.) have reached a very high cost horizon. 60-80 mio. USD for a F-16 is indeed a lot of money and I would prefer the F/A-18E/F which costs around 60 mio. USD and is the better multi-role fighter while it is a bit slower in the max speed (F-16 Mach2 vs F/A-18 Mach1.:cool:.
As for the Chengdu vs Shenyang stealth fighter project: I also think that Chengdu might outmatch Shenyang this time too since Shenyang mostly builds the J-11 (Chinese SU-27) while Chengdu has been doing more experiments to maximize their own plane (J-10). The J-10 is the result of a development that used the mix of the Lavi and the F-16, just like Sony did with the cancelled Super Nintendo 32bit CD-rom which resulted in the Playstation One. We may see at least 3 different types of J-10's (A and B-version have been flying already) with the C-Version still in secret.
 
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Guys, can't you see that its a CG modified picture of a Mig MFI. Here's the first picture of the MFI to come up on google: http://airbase.ru/hangar/planes/russia/mig/mfi/pix/mig-1.42.jpg
Now I'm not saying its this exact picture, but the leap is not far. If we difg around we may well find the original MFI picture this was based on.

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The general configuration of that CG is close to MFI, but that guy did the CG from ground up. He or his close friends showed the raw 3-D models and some steps he used to gradually build up the final CG. On one forum, He was trying to convince people that it is fake, he's the author. But after 24 hours, there were still quite some people don't believe him:smash . He even posted screen capture of his computer screen to show people how he was working on the 3-D model. Real funny.

I guess the main reason why most people in chinese forums, including myself, got excited, (and still some can't accept the author's explaination) is that it does match the overall configuration/prototype in many people's head. He's first guy to demonstrate it in a top quality CG. I knew he was working on a CG one months ago because he was openly asking for inputs, but I did not expect his final works to show up in this way
 
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Brit

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The too smooth to be real texturing around the intake suggested to me that it was a CG 3-D model when I first saw it. Very skillfully done mind.
 
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PLA2025

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the CG stealth fighter looks like a hybrid of a YF-23 rearpart and a J-10 frontpart with DSI-intake. IMO a nice CG job and IMO it looks even more stealth and less bulky than the Russian MiG-1.42/44 aka MFI.
 
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