New Brit aircraft carrier names

[Systems Adict]

Sorry to burst your bubble on this one, but the names are a done deal, & have been for nearly a year.

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Maybe that explains why no-one has posted a reply in this thread for the last 14 months......?

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[swerve]

I would be all for R08 HMS VICTORY

Even if the names hadn't already been chosen, that would be a non-starter. The RN can't have two ships in commission with the same name.

 

[philbob]

Well back in the 1920's the US goverment intented to name one of the Lexington class Battlecrusiers the USS Constitution congress and the navy worked out a deal to cerimoniously rename the frigate Constitution, Old Constitution, The plan was scrapped due to the Washington Naval Treaty

 

[Sea Toby]

I hope you are right with 2012 but I think it unlikely.

I think you missed the point on the 'royal' connection...but hey.

As I recall the King George V class of WW II battleships included the names Prince of Wales, Duke of York, Anson, and Howe. Of the five battleships, the last ship in commission was the Duke of York. Duke of York was the previous title of King George VI. I remember reading that Churchill didn't have the heart to decommission her until after he died.

 

[KiwiRob]

If there is political will to make it happen (i.e. the dithering stops) it is achievable, so long as the construction moves at a reasonable pace. Having it commissioned in time might be tricky, but completing construction would be possible.

I recieved an RFP today for items on the two UK and the single French carriers. So things are happening, if i get the deal it will mean I don't have to turn up to work for the next couple of years , my target will be done and dusted for quite some time.

 

[philbob]

they lo like great ships

 

[nonniey]

2d Queen Elizabeth Class Names is a Mistake

Understand this is years late but anyone with a sense of history should know the greatest battleship/dreadnaught in history was the second ship from the Queen Elizabeth Class. The name for the new QE class should follow that heritage both to illuminate that history (that many have forgotten) and to bring luck. The name has to be Warspite.

 

[Sea Toby]

Understand this is years late but anyone with a sense of history should know the greatest battleship/dreadnaught in history was the second ship from the Queen Elizabeth Class. The name for the new QE class should follow that heritage both to illuminate that history (that many have forgotten) and to bring luck. The name has to be Warspite.

The Royal Navy has a long list of names with history which could be used for the new aircraft carriers. The Royal Navy has been a strong navy for centuries. Warspite is a legendary ship, I agree. But there have been other ships with great names as well, including Queen Elizabeth and the Prince of Wales....

I would love to see Warspite again, as well as Barnham, Hood, Nelson, and Rodney... And there are more.....

 

[nonniey]

The Royal Navy has a long list of names with history which could be used for the new aircraft carriers. The Royal Navy has been a strong navy for centuries. Warspite is a legendary ship, I agree. But there have been other ships with great names as well, including Queen Elizabeth and the Prince of Wales....

I would love to see Warspite again, as well as Barnham, Hood, Nelson, and Rodney... And there are more.....

The point I was making is that these are Queen Elizabeth Class Ships. Warpite was a Queen Elizabeth class ship as well, the 2d to be precise. So I think it would have been great to try to recapture that lightning. Warspite wasn't just a great name she was a great ship (Probably in the running with the Enterprise as the greatest warship of all time) . I wouldn't classify the Prince of Wales as a great ship.

 

[Sea Toby]

The point I was making is that these are Queen Elizabeth Class Ships. Warpite was a Queen Elizabeth class ship as well, the 2d to be precise. So I think it would have been great to try to recapture that lightning. Warspite wasn't just a great name she was a great ship (Probably in the running with the Enterprise as the greatest warship of all time) . I wouldn't classify the Prince of Wales as a great ship.

Wasn't the Prince of Wales one of the last class of multiple British battleships with KGV, Duke of York, Anson, and Howe? If we didn't name ships after previous ships that sunk in the past, wouldn't we degrade the honor and courage of their crews?

Warspite's name was used for a nuclear propelled submarine since. But QE and PoW names have not been used again since the battleships. It's their turn....

 

[citizen578]

The point I was making is that these are Queen Elizabeth Class Ships. Warpite was a Queen Elizabeth class ship as well, the 2d to be precise. So I think it would have been great to try to recapture that lightning. Warspite wasn't just a great name she was a great ship (Probably in the running with the Enterprise as the greatest warship of all time) . I wouldn't classify the Prince of Wales as a great ship.

There are several classes within the RN which have come around twice. The River Class, or Invincible Class for instance, if you want conteporary examples. To my knowledge, the RN has never attempted to relive history by naming each ship within the class the same as before. If or one am glad of that. Forward not back...

As for not considering Prince of Wales a great ship name, I'll have to massively disagree with you on that!!
Firstly, there's been many PoWs. In the She was Admiral Calder's flagship at the Battle of Finisterre in 1805, and prevented a Franco-Spanish invasion of Great Britain.
She epitomised Pax Britanica as one of the Agamemnon Class in the mid 19th century, being one of the first screw-driven warships in the world, and then became Britannia, the Dartmouth training ship.
She supported the Anzac landings and defended the Channel (as flagship) as one of the Formidible Class.
And the one everyone knows... the George V Battleship. Hunted the Bismark and Prinz Eugen. Carried Churchill across the Atlantic for his famous meeting with Roosevelt. Prevented any kind of Axis maritime security in the Med.

Prince of Wales is a great name, I actually prefer it to Queen Elizabeth (you know what they say about naming ships after women)

 

[windscorpion]

How true it is i don't know (and i can't remember where i read it now) but it was suggested somewhere that the Vanguard replacements will be the Warspite class. It might just be someone working out we've had U, S, T, V, A and D classes lately so W is a possible option!

 

[kev 99]

How true it is i don't know (and i can't remember where i read it now) but it was suggested somewhere that the Vanguard replacements will be the Warspite class. It might just be someone working out we've had U, S, T, V, A and D classes lately so W is a possible option!

I've read on a forum that W would be next, personally I think its probably a complete guess based on it being the letter immediately following V but who knows:

Warspite, Warrior and Woodpecker?

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[swerve]

I've read on a forum that W would be next, personally I think its probably a complete guess based on it being the letter immediately following V but who knows:

Warspite, Warrior and Woodpecker?

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Woodpecker had an impressive career, but was only a sloop.

Warwick, Winchester, Windsor, Woolwich & Worcester all have long histories, & have been given to ships of the line.

 

[kev 99]

Woodpecker had an impressive career, but was only a sloop.

Warwick, Winchester, Windsor, Woolwich & Worcester all have long histories, & have been given to ships of the line.

Hmm don't really sound like SSBNs though to me, probably because we've not done place names in the RN for them before, Whirlwind sounds pretty impressive know what sort of career that had? I'm not even getting a link from WIKI.

 

[windscorpion]

HMS Wipe Out sounds good and would be apt though might be considered a bit difficult to accept politically perhaps

 

[swerve]

Hmm don't really sound like SSBNs though to me, probably because we've not done place names in the RN for them before, Whirlwind sounds pretty impressive know what sort of career that had? I'm not even getting a link from WIKI.

HMS Whirlwind, destroyer

Previous RN ship names beginning with W are mostly small vessels. There aren't even a lot of outstanding commanders whose names began with W, though I suppose one could call a ship HMS Woodward. Not worth an SSBN, though, IMO. Wager is probably the most prominent, but his name is rather prone to misinterpretation.

 

[kev 99]

Hmm not really an outstanding record, I still quite like the name though.

If we're talking about reusing old names based on their previous performance there's not to much in the Ws unless a place name is used.

 

[harryriedl]

Just thinking the new SSBN's could be the I class if your looking for 3-5 SSBN's with long and distinguished history

Invincible
Iron Duke
Implacable
and if their are more than 3 boats
Illustrious
Irresistible

all battleships mostly and by the time the SSBNs should be available for use most have a combat history. I don't think that the the next SSBN will be W because of the jump from R to V they seem to name them after RN ships with the most history for the desired class

 

[kev 99]

Just thinking the new SSBN's could be the I class if your looking for 3-5 SSBN's with long and distinguished history

Invincible
Iron Duke
Implacable
and if their are more than 3 boats
Illustrious
Irresistible

all battleships mostly and by the time the SSBNs should be available for use most have a combat history. I don't think that the the next SSBN will be W because of the jump from R to W they seem to name them after RN ships with the most history for the desired class

You can add Inflexible and Indefatiguable and Indomitable to the list of capital ship Is as well, all either Battlecruisers, Carriers, or both in the case of Indefatiguable.