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What else does Nepal buy from india? othere than the 3 helicopters and the defective guns? do you know?
Nepal accuses Indian Guns for deaths
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besides guns,helicopters india also provides them with armoured personnel carriers,and by the way there is no confirmed proof that the guns provided to the nepalis malfunctioned due to a design defect ,it can also be due to poor handling and lack of training by the nepali forces,even the latest american combat rifle would fail under such conditions.:coffeeElite Brain said:What else does Nepal buy from india? othere than the 3 helicopters and the defective guns? do you know?
So true analysis by Nepal regarding the INSAS malfunction. INSAS is known for heating up and malfuntioning, PLASTIC magazines refused to work in cold conditions like it happend in KARGIL!!aaaditya said:besides guns,helicopters india also provides them with armoured personnel carriers,and by the way there is no confirmed proof that the guns provided to the nepalis malfunctioned due to a design defect ,it can also be due to poor handling and lack of training by the nepali forces,even the latest american combat rifle would fail under such conditions.:coffee
being an indian i dont want anymore public money wasted by DRDO on showing that they can build stuff for indian army!
i again ask the question= why AKs were bought after induction of INSAS in the army??
Can you please provide a link which gives more information about induction of AKs? :goodbadparm said:i again ask the question= why AKs were bought after induction of INSAS in the army??
Dude try to read indian newspapers and keep urself upto date about indian army procurements, there you will find about the AKs bought by indian army for troops deployed in Kashmir, cus AKs are far more better performing in CQB (close quarter battles) in built up urban warfare then INSAS.TrangleC said:Didn't those nepalese soldiers ever do training with their rifles? Just throwing that out there, but that might have the additional benefit (besides the soldiers learning how to use iot and how to shoot) that you find out about such flaws before you are in battle.
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Gorkhas (native ppl of nepal) are among the fierciest and better fighting soldiers in the world. Besides Nepalese army, the armies of Singapore, Hongkong police during british rule, India and Great Britain have gurkha regiments to fight for them, and you are questioning about gurkhas handling of INSAS.
INSAS is a clear MIX n MATCH of FAL, GALIL and AK, they you can call it a remix if you want to!
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And what does that have to do with the fact that they didn't find out that their rifles don't work before the first serious gunbattle?
That only leaves two possibilities:
1.) They only found out in battle because they never did a real training with it before.
2.) They did a training before and knew that the rifles are not working, but their command didn't do anything about it. So they cannot complain about it now.
That only leaves two possibilities:
1.) They only found out in battle because they never did a real training with it before.
2.) They did a training before and knew that the rifles are not working, but their command didn't do anything about it. So they cannot complain about it now.
The Nepalese forces had been complaining before about INSAS overheating. The magazine would crack under high temperatures. It's not cheap to re-equip your forces with new weapons unless the Indians were going to do a recall and replace them... not going to happen. I'm skeptical about there being a lack of training for proper gun maintenance. I learned in a hour how to field strip and clean my weapon. I just can't believe they would be that careless for something so simple.:monkey2TrangleC said:And what does that have to do with the fact that they didn't find out that their rifles don't work before the first serious gunbattle?
That only leaves two possibilities:
1.) They only found out in battle because they never did a real training with it before.
2.) They did a training before and knew that the rifles are not working, but their command didn't do anything about it. So they cannot complain about it now.
well according to the latest news indian army has inducted the insas excalibur the advanced version of the insas rifle the army has already conducted tests and is claimed to be very pleased with it.also the indian army will be inducting the indo-israeli zittara assault rifle which is based on the tavor assault rifle.
Big-E said:The Nepalese forces had been complaining before about INSAS overheating. The magazine would crack under high temperatures. It's not cheap to re-equip your forces with new weapons unless the Indians were going to do a recall and replace them... not going to happen. I'm skeptical about there being a lack of training for proper gun maintenance. I learned in a hour how to field strip and clean my weapon. I just can't believe they would be that careless for something so simple.:monkey2
The IA did a full replication of the Nepal battle conditions. They basically showed that the INSAS met worldwide standards of # of rounds per stoppage. That apart, the Nepalese forces are widely remarked to be poorly trained- firearms training costs a pretty packet in terms of ammo, and if you dont have your own ammo production plus your budget is small, you tend to skimp on live fire exercises, which can result in weapons abuse at critical times.
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=77704
NEW DELHI, SEPTEMBER 6: Intensive tests on INSAS rifle, the Indian Army’s mainstay, have confirmed its “robustness and reliability” even in “intense operational scenarios.”
The result of the tests, conducted at Mhow between August 18 and 20, would be communicated to Kathmandu, which had complained about the rifle’s “unreliability” and blamed it for the reverses it suffered against the Maoists.
The Army’s Infantry School in Mhow tested 44 INSAS rifles of the Platoon Weapons Division, simulating an “intense operational scenario.” The rifles were put through alternative tests of short-burst firing and single-shot firing.
The report of the tests says the rate of fire and performance during high cyclic load was “acceptable”. A total of 12,237 rounds were fired. The total number of “stoppages” — where rounds get jammed during continuous use — was under one per cent, a vindication of the Army’s stand, since the international norm for small arms is two per cent.
The report says out of 44 rifles, only 15 faced stoppages, and only three more than eight stoppages. Barring the three, the average stoppage was only 0.66 per cent, the report adds.
Apart from stoppages, the test team in Mhow, which included one JCO and four Havildar-rank instructors, encountered “no breakages or defects with the INSAS rifle”, as claimed by the Royal Nepalese Army (RNA). The RNA had complained that the INSAS it used broke down during fighting, which resulted in some of its men falling to the Maoists’ bullets. The rifles were operated for 30 minutes at a stretch, simulating the scenario in which the RNA operates.
Army Chief Gen J J Singh had last month backed the rifle at the Infantry Commanders’ Conference in Mhow.
http://www.eians.com/stories/2005/08/14/14ta.shtml
Nepal downplaying efficacy of INSAS rifles: experts
By Sudeshna Sarkar, Indo-Asian News Service
Kathmandu, Aug 14 (IANS) Though Nepal's army blames Indian rifles for its reverses at the hands of Maoist insurgents in midwestern Nepal last week, it owes a recent victory to the same weapon, defence analysts say.
The Royal Nepalese Army created a furore Friday when its spokesman, Brigadier General Dipak Gurung, alleged at a press conference here that the army lost 43 soldiers at Pili in Kalikot district Aug 7 because the INSAS rifles used by the soldiers malfunctioned.
The INSAS rifles, made in India, were given by New Delhi to Nepal from 2003 to fight the escalating Maoist insurgency.
So far, India has given about 23,000 of the indigenously manufactured guns at a 70 percent subsidy, along with ammunition.
However, the supply stopped in February this year after King Gyanendra staged a royal coup.
The analysts say while Gurung blamed the INSAS for the Pili debacle, he also claimed over 300 Maoists were killed in the battle, which proves the efficacy of the rifles.
The analysts, who declined to be named, also pointed out that in April the army had inflicted huge losses on the insurgents when they tried to capture an army camp in the rocky Khara area in western Nepal's Rukum district.
Though Rukum is a rebel stronghold, the army killed nearly 120 outlaws during the attack while over 70 wounded guerrillas were said to have died later trying to get medical treatment.
During the Khara battle, the army had used INSAS rifles. Though the attack lasted for nearly 15 hours, the rifles did not get heated or malfunction.
In 2003, there had been some complaints about the newly acquired INSAS rifles malfunctioning, the Indian Embassy in Kathmandu said.
A team of experts, including P.K. Agarwal, additional general manager of the rifle factory in India that manufactures the weapons, visited Nepal to teach the Nepalese army how to fire and maintain the guns.
It was found that some of the guns did not fire because the soldiers had not wiped off the grease the factory had coated them with to prevent rust. The team test-fired 400 rounds continuously during the demonstration without hitch.
According to defence experts, the Royal Nepalese Army suffers from lack of training as well as motivation.
While in India, soldiers are given battle training for 12-14 months, in Nepal rookies get only five months training.
With India, the US and Britain suspending lethal military weapons supplies since the royal coup, there is also speculation that if the soldiers get to fire live bullets during training, the limited stock of ammunition might go down.
The increasing outbursts by the Nepalese army since the royal takeover without going through official procedures is being regarded by New Delhi as attempts to embarrass it internationally and damage Indo-Nepal relations.
--Indo-Asian News Service
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1203672.cms
Nepal claim ludicrous: Army
Nepal claim ludicrous: Army
NEW DELHI: The Army feels the Royal Nepalese Army (RNA) is simply talking through its hat when it blames the Indian INSAS assault rifles for the reverses it is suffering against the Maoists in the landlocked kingdom.
RNA’s criticism about what it calls "sub-standard" INSAS rifles has more do with "politics" than anything else, in keeping with Nepal’s strategy to play on Indian fears that it could turn to a third country like China or Pakistan for arms supplies.
The 1.13-million-strong Indian Army, the third largest in the world, should know about the 5.56 mm INSAS (Indian Small Arms System) rifles since it has inducted around five lakh of them since 1997-98. (My note: 5Lakh= 500,000) With an "effective 400-metre range" and capable of being fired either in single shots or three-round bursts, INSAS rifles have replaced the cumbersome 7.62 mm SLR (self-loading rifle) as the standard weapon for all infantry battalions.
"We are using INSAS rifles in counter-insurgency operations in extreme terrains ranging from Jammu and Kashmir to the North-East on a daily basis. If we can use them successfully in much more intense operations, there is no reason that RNA cannot," said a senior officer.
Quipped another, "RNA needs to be trained to handle the rifles better."
The Army is ready to train RNA once again on the "correct usage" of INSAS rifles, like it did in 2004. RNA soldiers are neglecting to maintain the rifles properly. INSAS rifles did have teething problems in the initial phases. There were, for instance, complaints of "cold arrest" and breakage and cracking of components, particularly the semi-transparent bullet magazines, in high-altitude areas like Kargil and Siachen.
also have you guys noticed after this there have been no other reports from nepal of the insas's breakages,also those news reports of insas's failures came when the indo-nepali relations were at their lowest and india temporarily suspended further supply of defence equipment.at that time nepal considered acquiring weapons fro russia and china,however once the indian supplies resumed,they seem to be quite happy.