Nepal accuses Indian Guns for deaths

pshamim

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Interesting news that faulty Indian assault rifles were partly responsible for the death of Nepali soldiers

Nepal says Indian guns let it down in rebel battle
Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:10 PM BST



By Gopal Sharma

KATHMANDU (Reuters) - The Nepali army said on Friday faulty Indian assault rifles were partly responsible for its heavy death toll in a gun battle with Maoist rebels as troops hunted for 75 soldiers still missing after the fighting.

Forty-three soldiers and a civilian were killed when hundreds of rebels attacked an army base in the remote Kalikot district, 600 km (375 miles) from the capital, Kathmandu, late on Sunday.

The Maoists, fighting to topple Nepal's monarchy and establish communist rule, say they captured 52 soldiers after the raid, a claim rejected by the army.

Army spokesman Brigadier-General Dipak Gurung said the Indian-manufactured INSAS rifles malfunctioned during the fighting which continued for about 10 hours.

"Soldiers complained that the INSAS rifles did not function properly during the fighting which lasted for a long time," Gurung told a news conference when asked why the army death toll was high.

"May be the weapons we were using were not designed for a long fight. They malfunctioned," he said.

There were also fewer troops at the base as it was a road construction project and not a fighting base, he added.

The army casualties were the heaviest since Maoist violence escalated after King Gyanendra seized direct power in February by sacking the multiparty government.

"There were stoppages during the firing ... the rifles got hot and soldiers had to wait for them to cool," another officer told Reuters.

India is a key military supplier to the poorly equipped Nepali army. But New Delhi suspended arms supplies six months ago after the king's power grab to press the monarch to restore multi-party democracy and civil liberties.

Nepali troops have complained in the past about technical problems with the Indian designed and built INSAS or Indian Small Arms System assault rifle.

Indian troops using the rifle are also known to have faced difficulties using it, Indian defence experts say. Indian defence officials declined to react to the Nepali comments.

The nine-year Maoist revolt has scared away investors in the desperately cash-strapped nation and wrecked the economy that is heavily dependent on international aid and tourism.

More than 12,500 people have died in the conflict and tens of thousands of people have fled their homes to towns or to neighbouring India to escape the conflict.



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aaaditya

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well here is india's response.

India rejects Nepal complaint over assault rifle
13 Aug 2005 08:04:48 GMT

Source: Reuters

CALCUTTA, India, Aug 13 (Reuters) - A state-run Indian arms manufacturer on Saturday rejected a complaint by Nepal that it supplied the kingdom faulty assault rifles which led to heavy losses in a gunbattle with Maoist rebels this month.

An official of the Rifle Factory Icchapore said the guns may have failed because of poor maintenance by the Nepali army which lost 42 soldiers in the fighting in the west of the country last weekend. Another 75 soldiers remain missing.

"The rifles are war-tested and widely used by our forces in counter-insurgency operations," said P.K. Agarwal, additional general manager of the factory in the eastern Indian state of West Bengal.

The Nepali army, quoting soldiers who took part in the 10-hour battle with the guerrillas, said the INSAS rifle frequently became too hot during the fighting and soldiers had to wait for it to cool before they could use it again.

The army casualties were the biggest since Maoist violence escalated after King Gyanendra seized direct power in February by sacking the multiparty government.

Agarwal said investigations into similar complaints by Nepali soldiers in the past had shown that they had been using the rifle without cleaning it.

India is a key military supplier for the poorly equipped Nepalese army which is battling the rebels who want to install a communist republic in the impoverished Himalayan kingdom.

But New Delhi suspended arms supplies six months ago after the king's takeover of power in a bid to press the monarch to restore multi-party democracy and civil liberties.
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it must be due to lack of proper training and cleaning,the insas rifle is used by the indian army(as of now 300000+) in regions like kargil ,siachen,kashmir and the northeast and they do not have any complaints,besides i dont think these assault rifles are the new insas excalibur.
 
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aaaditya

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well china is cosying upto nepal and that is the main reason why india resumed weapons supplies to nepal,ironically neither nepal or bhutan would feel comfortable having a relationship with china but may be forced to do so should they be threatened.:coffee
 

srirangan

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aaaditya said:
well china is cosying upto nepal and that is the main reason why india resumed weapons supplies to nepal,ironically neither nepal or bhutan would feel comfortable having a relationship with china but may be forced to do so should they be threatened.:coffee
China created the Maoists, yet it plays the around the bush game with Nepal's king. Neapl needs democracy!
 

starwarsworld

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srirangan said:
China created the Maoists, yet it plays the around the bush game with Nepal's king. Neapl needs democracy!
I had saw in past indian army had comlain with Insas.May that was slove? Is India devloping any other LMG or just Insas is one and only ? wat other machineguns india devloping any news?I now wat Insas is from BR forum but no any thing elase wat other small arm in Indian Inventoray?
 

aaaditya

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starwarsworld said:
I had saw in past indian army had comlain with Insas.May that was slove? Is India devloping any other LMG or just Insas is one and only ? wat other machineguns india devloping any news?I now wat Insas is from BR forum but no any thing elase wat other small arm in Indian Inventoray?
well guess there still are some minor problems though dont know how much they will affect the outcome of a battle.
http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=50170




[font=Verdana,Arial]Insas upgrading by mid-2006’
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[font=Verdana,Arial][font=Verdana,Arial]KATHMANDU, [/font][font=Verdana,Arial]Aug 28 - [/font][font=Verdana,Arial]Indian Army has said that the India-manufactured Insas (Indian Small Arms System) rifles will be upgraded by mid-2006, according to a news report.

The Indian Express on Sunday reported that the upgrading will endow the Insas with cutting-edge night-fighting capabilities, improved target designation and under-barrel grenade launchers.

"By the middle of next year, the Insas 5.56 standard assault rifle (SAR) will be equipped with laser designators, night-vision scopes and tritium radio-luminescent sights for combat in low light conditions and under-barrel grenade launchers (UBGLs)", the newspaper quoted a senior Indian Army officer as saying. In the report, the Indian Army has conceded that there are two "minor" problems with the Insas rifle - the cracking of its fiber-plastic magazine under extreme temperature changes and leakage of oil from the gas regulator chamber. The Royal Nepalese Army (RNA) had recently said the dysfunctional Insas was the main reason behind heavy RNA casualty in the August 7 clash with Maoist rebels in Pili, Kalikot.

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P.A.F

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off late, nepel has been been moving towards china as it is not getting along with india to well. this will just worsen the situation.
 

Elite Brain

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Well, do you blame Nepal?? India's RAW agent was responsible for the Palace shootout a few years ago that killed off the monarchy. The idiot "prince" was apparently in love with an indian girl whos father had strong ties to RAW. Add to that india has been causing trouble in nepal for a while now. (shades of balochistan). Back in the 89 when pakistan moved closer to Nepal and gave them $10 million in aid and credit.....india stopped all oil suppplies and established a trade embargo on Nepal. Its been causing the same trouble in SriLanka since the 80's...

No wonder india's smaller neghbours call it the Evil Virus in South Asia.
 

srirangan

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Elite Brain said:
Well, do you blame Nepal?? India's RAW agent was responsible for the Palace shootout a few years ago that killed off the monarchy. The idiot "prince" was apparently in love with an indian girl whos father had strong ties to RAW. Add to that india has been causing trouble in nepal for a while now. (shades of balochistan). Back in the 89 when pakistan moved closer to Nepal and gave them $10 million in aid and credit.....india stopped all oil suppplies and established a trade embargo on Nepal. Its been causing the same trouble in SriLanka since the 80's...

No wonder india's smaller neghbours call it the Evil Virus in South Asia.
What a bunch of rubbish.
 

Elite Brain

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Nepal has to move closer to China in the future anyway. All efforts should be made to integrate nepal with Tibet and so on to secure solid energy supplies and access to the Chinese and Central Asian economy.As regards to buying arms from india... i dont think after the dysfunctional backfiring rifles, there are going to be anymore sales from india to Nepal in the near future.
 

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aaaditya

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P.A.F said:
off late, nepel has been been moving towards china as it is not getting along with india to well. this will just worsen the situation.
i oubt it india has resumed defnce supplies to nepal and has already expressed willingness to send a defence team to assess nepals complaints regerding the insas guns and to provide any training that they require.:coffee
 

aaaditya

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Elite Brain said:
What type of guns were they? any info? Over here we can go into a Walmart and buy a sniper rifle to shoot deer. ;)
i beleive they are insas 5.56mm assault rifles though not the more advanced insas excalibur which is still being developed and also some 7.62mm fn/fal slrs.for more info on these two guns check www.world.guns.ru :coffee
 
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