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John Fedup

The Bunker Group
I would certainly have liked Canada to purchase another 3-5 C-17s while line was still open. The five we have now are worked pretty hard. Reopening the C-17 production line, not happening as per Terran's reasons but there is a need for a replacement IMHO. I just hope the USAF doesn't opt for some kind of exotic and expensive replacement.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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The C-5Ms are planned to stay in the fleet beyond 2040, but developing a new large transporter takes at least a decade. So maybe the US can combine these two replacement programs (C-5 + C-17). If the two programs share same engines, instruments and other systems, it will be more cost efficient.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
The C-5Ms are planned to stay in the fleet beyond 2040, but developing a new large transporter takes at least a decade. So maybe the US can combine these two replacement programs (C-5 + C-17). If the two programs share same engines, instruments and other systems, it will be more cost efficient.
WRT a potential C-5M replacement, perhaps some kind of licensing arrangement between a Western aerospace company and Antonov might work. Otherwise a C-17 replacement only is likely the only affordable option.
 

Terran

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WRT a potential C-5M replacement, perhaps some kind of licensing arrangement between a Western aerospace company and Antonov might work. Otherwise a C-17 replacement only is likely the only affordable option.
I am not sure what could be gained with that. Antonov hasn’t delivered a new AN125 in over 20 years. Yes they have ambitions to restore an AN225 but have yet to do so. We have no idea the conditions of their tooling and documentation for such.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
I am not sure what could be gained with that. Antonov hasn’t delivered a new AN125 in over 20 years. Yes they have ambitions to restore an AN225 but have yet to do so. We have no idea the conditions of their tooling and documentation for such.
True, but a Westernized An124 might be faster and cheaper than a C-5M replacement. As for the An225, too big and really no market...nevertheless an impressive beast! What's the best solution for backing up the C-17 fleet? I think this will be needed based on the demands being placed on American, Canadian, UK, and Australian operators (perhaps others as well).
 

Terran

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Again given the 21 years since the line closure and the fact the facility used to build them has been at the front lines I am not sure Antonov is in a position to build them not without major assistance. Yet I don’t think Boeing, LM or NG would be the best partners. LM and Boeing should have everything it would need for a C5M replacement yet there is a question of justification. Time I don’t think sides with a need for a C5M replacement in the mid term.
 

John Fedup

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Again given the 21 years since the line closure and the fact the facility used to build them has been at the front lines I am not sure Antonov is in a position to build them not without major assistance. Yet I don’t think Boeing, LM or NG would be the best partners. LM and Boeing should have everything it would need for a C5M replacement yet there is a question of justification. Time I don’t think sides with a need for a C5M replacement in the mid term.
Agree, a C-5M replacement isn't a priority but the current fleet is 20+% strategic lift. The C-17 fleet usage rate, that is a concern, which would have been best addressed by USAF and allies placing orders to prolong the production line...water under the bridge now. WRT the An-124, perhaps an Airbus relationship makes more sense from a EU doing more perspective. As you say though, is Antonov in a position to really assist?


The future USAF tanker seems to be on the back burner and a future lifter, not even on the stove. The Pacific pivot needs both IMO.
 

Terran

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The future USAF tanker seems to be on the back burner and a future lifter, not even on the stove. The Pacific pivot needs both IMO.
Even if the Tooling and facilities of the C17 had been preserved, the biggest problem for it is the Engines. The C17A uses F117 (not to be confused with the Stealth bomber) engines. Derived from the P&W 2000 series. That series also powered the 757. It’s out of production. So a C17R would be needing new engines. This is a sticking point on an NMA too as well as a modern An124
 

John Fedup

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Even if the Tooling and facilities of the C17 had been preserved, the biggest problem for it is the Engines. The C17A uses F117 (not to be confused with the Stealth bomber) engines. Derived from the P&W 2000 series. That series also powered the 757. It’s out of production. So a C17R would be needing new engines. This is a sticking point on an NMA too as well as a modern An124
Yes again, another hurdle, as the RR engine replacement for the B-52J.
 

Terran

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Yes again, another hurdle, as the RR engine replacement for the B-52J.
In the RR F130 they have an engine that is close to the original TF33 in terms of diameter and thrust. In the case of the F117/P&W2000 it was a unique class of engines. The only equals being the RB211 and the PS90. The closest in size would be a step down in power to the CFM LEAP or P&W1100. Unless they transition to a twin engine. Which isn’t a hurdle it’s a complete redesign.
 

swerve

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With regard to your question regarding the T7 the short answer is yes. The USAF are believed to be exploring options for the T7 to replace the F16, it will be dubbed the F7 if it goes ahead
More proof that the USAF has abandoned its official aircraft designation system.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Has the USA completely abandoned its military aircraft designation system now? F-35, now F-47 & F-7 - random numbers! It shouldn't have reached F-30 yet.

F-7 was the Convair Sea Dart, redesignated from the USN F2Y.
Export version of the Chengdu J-7....
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
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Photo from RTAF sites. When a Royal Thai Princess (eldest Princess) already inspect SAAB E/F, it is from what I gather basically shown that the choosing process already done. Thus despite some US and LM lobby, seems it is clearer SAAB win the procurement contract.

For SAAB it is important to secure order from Thai as second export customer for Gripen E/F. Infact outside Sweden, Thai is the only country that will operate Gripen C/D and E/F.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group

Swedish Parliement give green light for SAAB to sell 12 Gripen E/F. This is follow up on the proposal submitted by swedish government 2 months ago (link in previous page). Latin America seems increasingly getting acceptance as Gripen customers. The waiting time that less then 2 years, seems factoring much.
 

SolarisKenzo

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Update on european fighter aircrafts as of 2025.

EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon, Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH (Airbus, Leonardo, BAE)
Orders
: 762
Deliveries: circa 610

JAS-39 Gripen, IndustrieGruppen JAS (Saab)
Orders: unclear, 320-340
Deliveries: circa 300

Dassault Rafale, Dassault Aviation (Dassault)
Orders: 507
Deliveries: circa 300

European delta-wing fighters have a strong backlog of orders, with more than 150 Eurofighters and 200 Rafale to produce.
Gripen is also able to sustain decent production thanks to refurbishment of older planes, export deals and the new E variant, but the amount of planes officially ordered and delivered are not clear.
 
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Ananda

The Bunker Group

Yesterday edition of Army Recognition claim Peru already confirm USD 3.5 Bio deal for 24 Gripen E/F. The payment will be cover from budgeted domestic credit line of USD 2.0 bio this year and additional credit line of USD 1.5 bio schedulle next year. This to replace all their Mig 29 and Mirage 2K.

Add from Peru Media;

 

Sandhi Yudha

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On 27 June 2025, Spanish Minister of Defence Margarita Robles informed the Senate Defence Committee about the new advanced trainer aircraft programme.

In December 2024, a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for the co-development of the TAI Hürjet was signed between the Spanish Secretary for Defence and the Turkish ambassador to Spain.

Spain plans to acquire the Hürjet to replace the old and worn out F-5BM in its fleet. Spain already has the PC-21 as replacement for the CASA C-101, but not as many as the amount of C-101s in the past. Maybe they also plan to buy some extra Hürjets for this.
TUSAŞ’tan tarihi imza: Hürjet İspanya yolcusu

Spain Invests €1,4 billion in TAI Hürjet Programme
 
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