MIG 31 perfect replacement for Iranina F14s?

[shaun]

Can they support these aircraft? I know the petro dollar's have been pouring in from China Iran's number One customer I think but they seem to be buying precious little with them for their airforce could one day we see an arms for oil deal between the two maybe not so much hardware but possibly technical support?

 

[Feanor]

Using the MIG 31 as a super sonic awacs, capable of supporting other assets offensively would provided any user of the MIG 31 immense situational awareness and flexibilty. I imagine that MIG 31s could be used to support flights of JF17s providing long range radar info, co-ordination and also fire support.
Combining JF17s with small numbers of MIGs would make the whole package cost effective.

Well lets start with the fact that they don't have compatible comm gear. Lets continue with the fact that the MiG-31's radar isn't all that impressive by modern standards. Lets finish with the fact that the MiG-31 would be quite expensive. For that money it would make more sense to just acquire actual AEW aircraft.

 

[MagnumGTO]

even strange to think for what Iranian could wish to have that clearly specific aircraft wich was made for clearly specific targets with clearly specific tactic of its use. In Russia it made it's job perfect of course. course it's made to make to do it.
1. To work like AWAKS it have to send it's data for somthing fighter that so advanced that could succesfuly intercept that what Mig-31 would find.So question one isnt to buy fighter ll be first question.
2.Mig-31M with incredably Zaslon M radar is not produced, and not planned to produced, R-37 missile was made in Ukrania and are not produced(or its head, ...forget).This fact was iluminated by one Big gue from af(he's planing purchasing in 200*) .
3.It ll be not impress if similar flight of mig-31 twise more expensive than Su fighter
4.Zaslon M radar was extraordinary thing. But Irbis radar have more impressive range.
now, Irbis radar could be set on su-35 and Mig-31 (modernisation of mig-31 by irbis had planed from ~2009)and here is question -Irbis of Su-35 equiped by mechanic of radar mirror.irbis of Mig-31 are not.And Su-35 get incredably scanning sector of it's radar(isn't it the only one 2d electronic scaning radar with mechanic homing on fighter), there is one trouble that on export version this angles are deeply cuted, but whatever it's wider than the same on mig-31.Su-35 Irst is nowday dettector, Mig-31 equipped by old heatseeker (in different with Mig-31M).So su-35 better in Awacs role nowday(compare with all other other fightters). Russian version incredably, I bet .

here we go Russian long range missile are researching now .range would be 200km, could be sat the same on su-35 and Mig-31. then What reason to choise specific high altitude interceptor inded maneuvrable fighter.


to the end
Feanor what did you mean when said that Zaslon M is nothing special .And which Fighter Radar until now have came in to that range, that Had Zaslon M ?

 

[Masquerader]

The Soviet Union once offered to sell the MiG-31 to Iran before it collapsed in 1991. A 2022 Forbes magazine article discusses failed Soviet efforts to pitch the MiG-31 to Iran:

Soviet officials offered Iran 72 MiG-29 Fulcrums, 24 MiG-31 Foxhounds, and 36 Su-24 Fencers shortly after the end of the Iran-Iraq War (1980-88). However, Iran, cash-strapped after eight debilitating years of war, could only afford 18 MiG-29s and 12 Su-24s. Tehran would also acquire S-200 air defense systems mere months before the Soviet Union finally collapsed in December 1991.

When Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani visited Moscow in 1989, Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev gave him a "blank check" for Soviet arms signed by the 12 members of the Soviet Politburo. "You write whatever armaments that you want and we shall provide it," Iran's last ambassador to the Soviet Union, Naser Nobari, later recalled the Soviets telling the visiting Iranian delegation. "As of today, this has been our country's most important and biggest armaments deal since the revolution," Nobari noted.

Several headlining-grabbing remarks from the Soviet delegation at the Paris Air Show in June 1991 also showed how desperate Moscow was to sell its military hardware.

Rostislav Belakov, head of the Mikoyan design bureau, announced Moscow's willingness to sell MiG-31s to any country aside from Iraq.

"There are no more political barriers to our sales," he declared. "If you have $40 million, we will sell you a MiG-31."

"Offering the MiG-31 – which can fly at three times the speed of sound and is believed to have a radar unmatched in any Western fighter – to anyone who can afford it hardly seems appropriate just at the moment," wrote Christoper Bellamy in the Independent that month. "But the Soviet Union's desperate need for hard currency makes it anxious to export some of its most advanced and unique products – military hardware."

Notwithstanding varying estimates of the number of F-14s currently in Iranian service which were delivered to Iran before the abdication of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, if Iran ever receives the first examples of a batch of Sukhoi Su-35s ordered in November 2023, then it could give away many of its F-14s to another country, like Iraq. The Su-35 doubles as both an air superiority fighter and multirole fighter, which would provide Iran with a newer interceptor should Russia deliver any Su-35s to Iran.

 

[Big_Zucchini]

The Soviet Union once offered to sell the MiG-31 to Iran before it collapsed in 1991. A 2022 Forbes magazine article discusses failed Soviet efforts to pitch the MiG-31 to Iran:

Notwithstanding varying estimates of the number of F-14s currently in Iranian service which were delivered to Iran before the abdication of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, if Iran ever receives the first examples of a batch of Sukhoi Su-35s ordered in November 2023, then it could give away many of its F-14s to another country, like Iraq. The Su-35 doubles as both an air superiority fighter and multirole fighter, which would provide Iran with a newer interceptor should Russia deliver any Su-35s to Iran.

I find it hard to believe Russia would be willing to part with some of its aircraft. They may have been useless at the start of the war, but Su-34 later gained importance when they started dropping glide bombs on Ukraine, now fairly rapidly. I believe Su-35 will become important for Russia as well fairly soon. What Iran provided to Russia in terms of military tech was reportedly paid off already via other means.
The Su-35 is not as attractive to Iran as many might think. Sure, it's capable, it's modern, and comes with no mileage, but at the same time when Iran starts looking for parts to keep it flying - whom will it turn to?
Iran was able to keep the F-5 flying with local parts, but the more sophisticated the platform is - the more difficult it is to even set up the industry for it. And that's a lot of industrial capabilities to be built for just 20-something jets.
If Iran and Russia want to proceed with the Su-35 deal, a local production capability is in order.

 

[koxinga]

If Iran and Russia want to proceed with the Su-35 deal, a local production capability is in order.

That is precisely one of the few stoppers is holding up that deal (as well as the cancelled T90 proposal), from what I have read. They also want MRO capabilities for the engine in-country.

But they are interested in the SU, definitely. It was a topic I discussed with Tom Cooper more than a decade ago, on the future of their F-14 fleet. Airframe has a finite life, no matter how much refit is done, and the fleet is technologically obsolete, with regional Arab competitors fielding the best 4++ gens money can buy (Rafales, Eurofighters, BLOCK 70 F-16s).

The options are limited, and other than funds, only a geopolitical gap (e.g Ukraine war) would offer them the best chance to buy something