MIG 1.42 MAPO

Pathfinder-X

Tribal Warlord
Verified Defense Pro
gf0012-aust said:
Possibly, but it's not a 5th gen aircraft, even with investment.
This thing is a tech demonstrator to be precise, used to test new technologies such as plasma stealth and the new AL-41 engine. The program has been stopped by russian government, but some of the components used on this jet will be used in PAK FA program.
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Verified Defense Pro
Pathfinder-X said:
gf0012-aust said:
Possibly, but it's not a 5th gen aircraft, even with investment.
This thing is a tech demonstrator to be precise, used to test new technologies such as plasma stealth and the new AL-41 engine. The program has been stopped by russian government, but some of the components used on this jet will be used in PAK FA program.
Thats exactly what I have been trying to point out without offending pro-Mikoyan supporters. At less than 50hrs flying time it is a CTD that has failed to deliver as a fly away concept. It was a mule.
 

lalith prasad

Banned Member
if india joins the project 1.42 development it will take all the funds available to the iaf for 2 or 3 years.pretty expensive and bloody waste.
 
A

Aussie Digger

Guest
It looks very much like a Eurofighter Typhoon to me with design elements from the F-22 (canopy etc). Can't those Russian design their own original looking aircraft? Even the SU-27/30 seems to be a design evolution from the F-14/F-15 series aircraft...
 
A

Aussie Digger

Guest
Yeah it looked a bit weird to my mind to. Like the designers hadn't yet made up their mind what they wanted the aircraft to do...
 

Awang se

New Member
Verified Defense Pro
Aussie Digger said:
It looks very much like a Eurofighter Typhoon to me with design elements from the F-22 (canopy etc). Can't those Russian design their own original looking aircraft? Even the SU-27/30 seems to be a design evolution from the F-14/F-15 series aircraft...
F-15 twin rudder design was taken from russian MIG-25. In fact, i heard that F-15 was design to counter MIG-25. And then russian developed SU-27 and MIG-29 to counter F-15.
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Verified Defense Pro
Awang se said:
Aussie Digger said:
It looks very much like a Eurofighter Typhoon to me with design elements from the F-22 (canopy etc). Can't those Russian design their own original looking aircraft? Even the SU-27/30 seems to be a design evolution from the F-14/F-15 series aircraft...
F-15 twin rudder design was taken from russian MIG-25. In fact, i heard that F-15 was design to counter MIG-25. And then russian developed SU-27 and MIG-29 to counter F-15.
Mig 25 designed to intercept XB-70
F-108 designed to protect XB-70 - cancelled
F-15 designed to intercept the Su-25 as the F4 inadequate
Mig 29, Su-27 designed to counter F-15, F-14 and F/A-18
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Verified Defense Pro
Awang se said:
did F-108 have a range to escort the bombers? i thougt it is F-15.
It did, but the plane was deemed unnecessary as the XB-70 was cancelled.
It would have been an interesting combination. IIRC the F108 was substantially quicker than other escort aircraft of the period.

On the other data, there is some available if you look at the F-15 and F-14 history sites. I am going off memory here as I once did a paper on high speed interceptors from the 60's and 70's.

/excerpt on

In 1955, USAF launched the program of LRIX (Long-Range Interceptor Experiment), that the fighter was to be capable of March 3 performance and could destroy attacking Soviet bombers over the poles before they could get near U.S. territory. As it was also to be the escort fighter for the XB-70 bomber that was built by North American Aviation, the company also was issued a contract for two prototypes which designated F-108A Rapier. The F-108A was designed as a large delta-winged aircraft, powered by a pair of after burning turbojets. A mockup was inspected in January 1959 with planned first flight in 1961. However, by mid 1959, the threat from Soviet Union was perceived to be its intercontinental ballistic missiles instead of its force of long-range bombers. Against the ballistic missiles, F-108 would be completely useless. The program was cancelled on September 1959.

/excerpt off









It was mach 3 capable, so it would have moved along fairly well. ;)
 

Salman78

New Member
MAPO looks pretty neat . The claim that its stealther then F/A-22 is obviously absured. Can anyone find some pics of its testing any weapons ?
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Verified Defense Pro
Salman78 said:
MAPO looks pretty neat . The claim that its stealther then F/A-22 is obviously absured. Can anyone find some pics of its testing any weapons ?
There are none that I know of. The only footage that was in the public domain has been pulled and that was landings and launches. The plane only flew for 50 hrs and is highly unlikely to have been certified for weapons release in that time.
 

Salman78

New Member
gf0012-aust said:
Salman78 said:
MAPO looks pretty neat . The claim that its stealther then F/A-22 is obviously absured. Can anyone find some pics of its testing any weapons ?
There are none that I know of. The only footage that was in the public domain has been pulled and that was landings and launches. The plane only flew for 50 hrs and is highly unlikely to have been certified for weapons release in that time.
It would have been really nice if you could save that footage. Anyway...
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Verified Defense Pro
I do have the footage in some of my archives. I just have to find it. I've been off site for the last few months and have only just got back to my residential location
 

Salman78

New Member
Russians should get rid of canards. They are bad for stealth characterstics. So in this configuration there is no way it can even come close to what F/A-22 might look on a radar screen.
 

Pathfinder-X

Tribal Warlord
Verified Defense Pro
Salman78 said:
Russians should get rid of canards. They are bad for stealth characterstics. So in this configuration there is no way it can even come close to what F/A-22 might look on a radar screen.
Russian are not big on using passive stealth, instead they are testing an active stealth tech called plasma stealth. Using Ionized gas to conceal itself from radar. This tech was originally planned to be tested on Mig-1.42 and S-37. But lack of fund has delay the progress for development.
 
Top