Middle East Defence & Security

Feanor

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Russia augment existing Mig-29 in IRAF fleet as stop gap until Su-35 come. Also Chinese HQ-9 and Russia S-400 are on the way. The latter one more on Iran claim. However it is certainly shown Iran rebuilding it's Air Defense.
That MiG-29 announcement raises some questions. Are they MiG-29M/M2 or are they old MiG-29S/A/B from Russian inventory? The latter would be easier to operate since Iran already has some old MiG-29s. But they wouldn't be very useful. The former would be a substantial improvement, but then why is it a stopgap measure. The MiG-29M production line exists and is basically not being used, so it would make sense that Russia could deliver the type easier then Su-35S which they use themselves very actively.
 

KipPotapych

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Big Z, we are at the point where the discussion has no benefit to continue. You say I should go beyond the article, then say everything is in the article. You say Halevi, chief of general staff until a few months ago, simply quotes Hamas numbers, that are fake. It’s mostly Palestinians that kill each other. Israel does nothing wrong. You are talking about me believing fairytales and wanting to stub a Jew (and yet, I am the one discrediting myself!). For whatever reason, you think I watch televised news, along with many other weird assumptions. You constantly say I don’t know things and don’t understand something. And so on. What’s the point? There is none.

Important to note, when you think most of everyone is antisemite, it might be time to self reflect and look in the mirror. As in if you think the problem is everyone else and not you, you should look in the mirror and give things a thought. Of course, another option is to keep advising others to educate themselves instead.
 

Big_Zucchini

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Big Z, we are at the point where the discussion has no benefit to continue. You say I should go beyond the article, then say everything is in the article. You say Halevi, chief of general staff until a few months ago, simply quotes Hamas numbers, that are fake. It’s mostly Palestinians that kill each other. Israel does nothing wrong. You are talking about me believing fairytales and wanting to stub a Jew (and yet, I am the one discrediting myself!). For whatever reason, you think I watch televised news, along with many other weird assumptions. You constantly say I don’t know things and don’t understand something. And so on. What’s the point? There is none.

Important to note, when you think most of everyone is antisemite, it might be time to self reflect and look in the mirror. As in if you think the problem is everyone else and not you, you should look in the mirror and give things a thought. Of course, another option is to keep advising others to educate themselves instead.
What are my options when debating someone who makes no effort to correct their false assumptions? I believe I am being sufficiently polite, and thoughtful in writing these long form comments even though going through the routine Israeli grilling routine for years and years.

I can teach to prefer primary sources and analysis over partisan secondary and tertiary sources. I cannot force anyone to accept that.
 

Redshift

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What's white ? Is this the external skin complexion ? Is this more cultural ? Cause Persian like Northern Indian, Afghanis, Pakistanis are belong to Aryan group. Let's remember whose in 30's that talk pure Aryan blood as supreme white race. As Aryan, they are not delusional call them selves white.

Remember not long ago and even now there are those that still believe Slavic is not Euro whites but mongrel race. So who is White ? The Aryan ? Persian actually can call themselves more Aryan then those in Western Euro from certain anthropological perspective.




Will China going to become their main supplier? China and Russia perhaps not too care on US and Euro concern at this moment, but they do have concern with what Rich Gulf kingdoms have to say.
Aryan (outside of Nazi ideology ) pertains to those speaking a proto Indo/European/Iranian language, the idea is that all of these modern days languages have a common ancestry it doesn't really denote anything to do with physical characteristics .

Thus none who speaks any of the above can be more or less Aryan than than anyone else in the above language group.

As far as I am aware only Nazis tried to add a physical description of the so called Aryan peoples and funnily enough Hitler himself possessed none of those physical attributes.

adjective
1.
dated
relating to or denoting peoples speaking Indo-European (or specifically Indo-Iranian) languages, or ancient peoples thought to have spoken Proto-Indo-European, the hypothetical language from which Indo-European languages are believed to derive.
"the Aryan invasion theory is much debated"
2.
(in Nazi ideology) of or denoting white non-Jewish people, especially those of northern European origin or descent typically having blonde hair and bluue eyes and regarded as a supposedly superior racial group.
"Adolf Hitler's myth of Aryan supremacy"
noun
1.
dated
a member of a people speaking an Indo-European (or specifically Indo-Iranian) language, or of an ancient people thought to have spoken the hypothetical proto-Indo-European language.
"the place of origin of the Aryans has been variously sought in Europe and Asia"
2.
(in Nazi ideology) a white non-Jewish person, especially one of northern European origin or descent typically having blonde hair and blue eyes and regarded as belonging to a supposedly superior racial group.
"he looked the image of the ideal Aryan: tall, with Nordic blonde hair"
 

KipPotapych

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What are my options when debating someone who makes no effort to correct their false assumptions? I believe I am being sufficiently polite, and thoughtful in writing these long form comments even though going through the routine Israeli grilling routine for years and years.

I can teach to prefer primary sources and analysis over partisan secondary and tertiary sources. I cannot force anyone to accept that.
Sufficiently polite? Is it the Jew stabbing part?

Just to throw it at you, to show you how little clue you actually have with your nonsensical assumptions that you accuse others of, my kids are part Jewish, candles are lit in our house on Hanukah (more often than not). I also spent a better part of the day in a company of Jews today. Amazingly, all survived and no stabbing or other violence took place. I guess I was able to suppress the urge! To remain polite though, I will only say that you can keep on keeping on with your nonsense.

I will also refer back to the last paragraph in my previous post since you mention teaching again.
 

Big_Zucchini

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Sufficiently polite? Is it the Jew stabbing part?

Just to throw it at you, to show you how little clue you actually have with your nonsensical assumptions that you accuse others of, my kids are part Jewish, candles are lit in our house on Hanukah (more often than not). I also spent a better part of the day in a company of Jews today. Amazingly, all survived and no stabbing or other violence took place. I guess I was able to suppress the urge! To remain polite though, I will only say that you can keep on keeping on with your nonsense.

I will also refer back to the last paragraph in my previous post since you mention teaching again.
Doesn't stop you from posting and stubbornly defending unsubstantiated claims originating with Hamas or other orgs with a clear counter-factual and antisemitic agenda.

I don't care much about antisemitism. I'm not Jewish. But I know antisemitic orgs try to muddy any discussion of Israel-Palestine so that facts would be harder to find. It's sad that you cannot dig deeper past the facade.
 
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Big_Zucchini

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Palestinian anti-Hamas militiamen roaming overtly armed, marked, and in formation. Above we hear Israeli drones.

They call themselves "People's Army - North".
They and Hamas both claim to have captured each other's members around the Jordanian hospital in Tal al Hawa in the last few days.
I remind that this coincides with the time and area of IDF operations.


This isn't new but I am really impressed at Israel's ability to set up a network of Palestinian proxies in Gaza.
Around mid 2024 the idea of setting up zones of influence via Gaza's clans was publicly debated and at least in its early stages it struggled.
After a while one group managed to stand on its feet and support the IDF and contractors to secure GHF aid sites. Now we have them spread far and wide.
It is possible their early failures were an orchestrated action to downplay their role, and if so then I fell for it.



I admit I do not know how this will combine with the proposed deal. Gaza is supposed to be disarmed and demilitarized. But a police force will obviously remain. Trump's outlined earlier plan specifies a certain allocation of pistols and long rifles for Gazan internal security forces.
I guess that should be enough in terms of kinetic capacity to prevent Hamas and others from militarizing. But what happens to these clans? They'll probably demilitarize but it is possible we'll see a brief power struggle before that.

I assume a deal will at least initially look like in Lebanon. Israel resuming assassinations and limited strikes, Hamas accept their fate.
This leads me to believe that Hamas has little incentives to accept such deal, or a high risk of seniors pushing to accept and mid level command refusing.
 

Big_Zucchini

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Hamas PR is prepping for refusal.

IDF is now completing the re-occupation of the Netzarim corridor to dissect the Gaza strip and isolate Gaza City.
>800k people have left Gaza City. Over the next few days more civilians will be allowed to leave, and then the operation will begin and last about 2-3 months. The Al Rashid road is now a one-way street. IDF deployment will include checkpoints to filter the movement.
 
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Big_Zucchini

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The Gaza City campaign has halted and the IDF switched to a defensive posture. Israel anticipates the release of all hostages soon.

There is a lot of speculation about how it'll go forward. Many ways indeed it could unfold. And even though there is a sort of ceasefire right now, I remind that the majority of fighting by that point was already between Palestinians, and there is no sign of that stopping. Yesterday Palestinian media reported dozens of dead in crossfire between Hamas and local clans.



 
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