Mexico: Navy selects SU-27 Flanker

[gf0012-aust]

The USAF and USN would secretly acquire Russian aircraft during the Cold War to test and practice against. Though unlikely I wouldn't be surprised if USAF leaders mite push the Mexican Government to purchase Flankers for the express purpose in hope of future training with Mexican Military.

IIRC, the US purchased 2 Su-27's approx 4 years ago.

On a side note, I'm curious as to what the average hours MexAF combat pilots rack up every year.

 

[contedicavour]

IIRC, the US purchased 2 Su-27's approx 4 years ago.

On a side note, I'm curious as to what the average hours MexAF combat pilots rack up every year.

Given the age of the dozen or so remaining F-5s, I suspect very few... unless we're talking flight hours on the Pilatus trainers

cheers

 

[HK_Thoughtful]

IIRC, the US purchased 2 Su-27's approx 4 years ago.

On a side note, I'm curious as to what the average hours MexAF combat pilots rack up every year.

Hey gf0012-aust I was just wondering about the 2 Su-27's purchased by the US. Do you have any information on what varient of Flanker they are and if they are still being flown right now...perhaps by aggressor squadrons? Any info would be great thanks...

 

[Centauro]

Admin: Text deleted. How this little comment managed to slip past the Mods is a mystery - but it's gone now.

The navy plans to buy around 8 to 12 Su-27UBK FLANKERs. Than can also be used as trainers.

Regarding the ships. The navy with its modernization programme has slowly been replacing the old units with Mexican made patrol ships.

 

[contedicavour]

By the way, why my image doesn't show up? I used the code.[/QUOTE]

wow nice picture, Sierra/Durangos followed by some of the new Oaxaca OPVH. Thanks. Btw, you might open a new thread in the naval section to discuss this.
I've seen 20+ modern OPVs are now in Mexican service. However there's still a lot of work ;) : there's still one WW2 destroyer escort, 10 Auk WW2 corvettes, and the Bronstein and Knox frigates are not exactly modern.
That's why I would prefer to invest in more OPVHs, or in buying second hand OHP FFGs from the US, rather than buying SU27 Flankers !?

cheers

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Nice pic Centauro! Great looking ships, stealthy with Bofors 57mm MkII...
Do you have more info about these ships?

 

[Feanor]

A quick google search came up with nothing but forum discussions on the old 2006 articles. No databases list the deal as far as I could tell. Can anyone confirm whether this was just a newspaper hoax? I'd imagine an actual sale of Flankers to Mexico would cause enough political uproar to register in the press. The Venezuelan deal certainly did, so I'm assuming King Google is drawing a blank because there is nothing to find.

 

[Haavarla]

Hey gf0012-aust I was just wondering about the 2 Su-27's purchased by the US. Do you have any information on what varient of Flanker they are and if they are still being flown right now...perhaps by aggressor squadrons? Any info would be great thanks...

Here are some notes on the Su-27UB in the US.

Pride Aircraft: Sukhoi SU-27 Flankers for Sale

As i understand this;
The two Ukarine UB Flankers are currently on Sales.
They will not be bought and used by the USAF.
They have been completly de-militarylised, with a new western cockpit instrumentation and featuring no radar.

So all the fuzz about them beeing coupled with USAF Nelis etc etc are not true.


Thanks

 

[turin]

Can anyone confirm whether this was just a newspaper hoax?

There were two newspaper reports in 2006 about talks between Mexico and Russia. Specifically Admiral Armando Sanchez Moreno and FGUP Rosoboronehksport deputy general director, Ivan Goncharenko were quoted. The first report was from Mexican El Universal, the second one with Goncharenkos comments came from Praym-TASS.

So its not a hoax, but as far as I can see, nothing ever materialised out of those talks and apparently they took place over quite some time. Moreno said that they had a look at the Gripen and the Flanker, but the Flanker would be preferred. No numbers of aircraft were ever quoted, so I guess, it really was just a lofty idea that was eventually shelved.

The Navy ordered new CN-235 two years later, so I guess they really just played around with certain ideas before settling for a more pragmatic approach that fits better with the nature of Mexicos current naval aviation.

 

[Feanor]

Thank you for the substantiation.

 

[DeltaSPARTAN003]

This does not fair well for Mexico's future. Mexico needs the F-35, nothing less. Or at least the Russian/Euro equivalent. But the drug war is taking precedence. As it should.

 

[baldtree]

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Very little is floating around about this and sources are limited. I have my doubts that the order will eventuate. Any ideas as to what is driving this radical purchase?

Appears unlikely as Mexico is within America's backyard. Unless the Americans need itt to practice.

 

[swerve]

This was all finished, years ago. The navy did not buy it. The requirement for land-based naval fighters was dropped.

 

[windscorpion]

I doubt Mexico would buy anything like the Flanker or JSF. Their defence doctrine has always been an attack from the north was unstoppable and one from the south unthinkable. The likes of Venezuela and Cuba are potential threats i guess but its unlikely the US would not intervene in that case.

 

[alejandroG.R]

okay one, Mexico, like any other nation has every god damn right to purchase weapons to defend themselves. Mexico worst enemy, is infact, its northern neighbor. which is why Mexico needs to arm itself to the teeth. the USA has prooven it will go to war for oil. and mexico needs to defends hers.

mexico is now the 12th richest nation in the world, and needs to start investing heavily in its military, because the USA is like a bipolar baby throwing a temper tantrum, it doesnt care who gets hit by the toys he throws, and mexico NEEDS something to fight back with.

 

[ltdanjuly10]

8-12 Flankers won't be enough to even hold off the Texas Air National Guard
If Mexico is really in all that much danger from the US than they better start buying hundreds of aircraft instead of handfuls. Besides based on the way that the Mexican military is oriented, I would say that they are more worried about Drug Wars than American Invasions. Other than the Ultra-Nationalist factions within the Mexican political apparatus and disagreements on Drug and Immigration issues , the US has had good relations with Mexico. Unless the Drug Lords or a rogue faction of the Mexican Army overthrow the Mexican Government it is unlikely the US will invade.

As for the fear of the US coming to take the Mexico's Oil, sure, just as soon as the Iraq war starts paying for itself with all that oil revenue the Iraqis will give

 

[swerve]

AlejandroG.R, your language is immoderate. Please do not repeat it. I suggest you read the forum rules.

ltdanjuly10, there's no point discussing something that did not happen. Mexico has no plans to buy Flankers, whether a dozen or a thousand.

 

[Feanor]

Thread locked. The purchase in question never took place, and there is nothing productive left to talk about here.