MCM operations

Todjaeger

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Grand Danois said:
The low speed is perhaps also an attribute of the Voith-Schneider propellers used on the specialised MCM vessels. Flyvefisken class is multipurpose and use normal screw propellers and goes 20 knots on diesels and 30+ knots on GT.

Voith-Schneider drive - an circular array of hydrofoils with a rotational axis perpendicular to the sea surface:

http://www.voithturbo.com/vt_en_pua_marine_vspropeller.htm
Thank you Grand Danois, for the info & link. I was aware of the Flyvefisken speed and CODAG engine, but had been wondering if there was something specific about the machinery found on MCM vessels. Aside from trying for a low magnetic signature I mean.

Would a system using a normal propeller for transit and then maybe waterjets for mine sweeping work? As a side (OT) note, any info or links people can post about Prarie-Masker would be appreciated. I know a little about the system, but wasn't aware of any kind of minimum size, so the more I can learn about it, the better.
 

contedicavour

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Todjaeger said:
Thank you Grand Danois, for the info & link. I was aware of the Flyvefisken speed and CODAG engine, but had been wondering if there was something specific about the machinery found on MCM vessels. Aside from trying for a low magnetic signature I mean.

Would a system using a normal propeller for transit and then maybe waterjets for mine sweeping work? As a side (OT) note, any info or links people can post about Prarie-Masker would be appreciated. I know a little about the system, but wasn't aware of any kind of minimum size, so the more I can learn about it, the better.
Try this site to know more on Prairie masker. The system requires quite a lot of subsystems (drawing at the end of the page) that in turn require quite a lot of space behind the propellers. I doubt a 700tonne 55meter MCM ship would have that.

www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/prairie.htm

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RubiconNZ

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Mcm

Ever see SEAQUEST DSV? :D
I'm sure they sent the Mk7 to Iraq for some inshore work.
Edit...Oops Duh its lower in the article,
 

Gollevainen

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so couple of orcas or kasatakas would have done for VMF to keep their own mine fields intact:confused: :eek ....and they spend millions of rubles to patrol vessels and missile corvettes...
 

riksavage

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The following is a brief summary of MCM assets committed during the Iraq War II, showing the dovetailing of both traditional MCM minesweepers and US helecopter assets.

Taken from USN Institute.

Surface mine countermeasures forces in the Persian Gulf consisted of the four U.S. minesweepers permanently stationed in Bahrain (the USS Ardent [MCM-12], Cardinal [MHC-60], Dextrous [MCM-13], and Raven [MHC-61]) and six U.K. minesweepers (HMS Blyth [M-111], Bangor [M-109], Brocklesby [M-33], Grimsby [M-108], Ledbury [M-30], and Sandown [M-101]) and their mother ship, the Royal Fleet Auxiliary landing ship logistic Sir Bedivere (L-3004), which had deployed several months earlier in anticipation of operations. Using data from the MH-53 sidescan sonar surveys of the KAA, our ten Coalition ships proceeded slowly up the waterway, investigating each contact. Water conditions were challenging for mine-hunting operations: the water was relatively shallow, acoustic conditions were poor because of a muddy bottom, near-bottom visibility was limited to nonexistent, and currents made diving operations and mine neutralization vehicle operations difficult. Once a minelike object was located precisely and classified by ships' sonars, remotely operated vehicles or EOD divers were used to investigate and plant explosive charges on the mine if appropriate.

In the meantime, U.S. forces interdicted several uniquely configured Iraqi minelayers while U.S. and Royal Marines secured the port of Umm Qasr, allowing U.S., U.K., and Australian EOD personnel to start clearing the port from the landward side. There was outstanding cover and deception by the Iraqi Navy. Only prompt action by the naval surface force commander allowed us to interdict more than 100 mines before the Iraqis put them in the water.
 

contedicavour

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riksavage said:
The following is a brief summary of MCM assets committed during the Iraq War II, showing the dovetailing of both traditional MCM minesweepers and US helecopter assets.

Taken from USN Institute.

Surface mine countermeasures forces in the Persian Gulf consisted of the four U.S. minesweepers permanently stationed in Bahrain (the USS Ardent [MCM-12], Cardinal [MHC-60], Dextrous [MCM-13], and Raven [MHC-61]) and six U.K. minesweepers (HMS Blyth [M-111], Bangor [M-109], Brocklesby [M-33], Grimsby [M-108], Ledbury [M-30], and Sandown [M-101]) and their mother ship, the Royal Fleet Auxiliary landing ship logistic Sir Bedivere (L-3004), which had deployed several months earlier in anticipation of operations. Using data from the MH-53 sidescan sonar surveys of the KAA, our ten Coalition ships proceeded slowly up the waterway, investigating each contact. Water conditions were challenging for mine-hunting operations: the water was relatively shallow, acoustic conditions were poor because of a muddy bottom, near-bottom visibility was limited to nonexistent, and currents made diving operations and mine neutralization vehicle operations difficult. Once a minelike object was located precisely and classified by ships' sonars, remotely operated vehicles or EOD divers were used to investigate and plant explosive charges on the mine if appropriate.

In the meantime, U.S. forces interdicted several uniquely configured Iraqi minelayers while U.S. and Royal Marines secured the port of Umm Qasr, allowing U.S., U.K., and Australian EOD personnel to start clearing the port from the landward side. There was outstanding cover and deception by the Iraqi Navy. Only prompt action by the naval surface force commander allowed us to interdict more than 100 mines before the Iraqis put them in the water.
Interesting thanks. This further proves that the USN down to 12 MCM dedicated ships, plus some still unproven MCM kit aboard the LCS, is completely unsatisfactory. Add the Persian Gulf missions to a hypothetical Korean mission and the USN will need foreign support.
Unless somebody can prove that the MH53 and other helos can run similar missions as our dedicated MCM ships

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