Malaysia america secret military ties!

[paskal]

r u aware of maf secret ties wit us!
every single year 7000 times us jets fly over malaysian air space in joint exercise with malaysian air force...
besides that,it is maf that trains us armed forces in jungle warfare as malaysia is the best in jungle warfare prove in military fact books!!
every single year us navy seals will come twice to malaysia to do CARAT missions n others joints exercise!

but why do malaysian are not aware of this!
why does the goverment doesnt let singapore in malaysian airsapce but us in?

: it looks like something is going on between this two countries!!

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[Schumacher]

It's not really secret as I think this is well known among military observers. Just that Malaysia don't like to publicize it too much for fear of jeopardizing its standing in the Muslim world.

 

[graham_chan]

I agreed, Malaysia usually have a good relation with United States whether it is War against terrorism (Intelligent & Info) or economic ties seems that US is one of the biggest investor in the country. No good relation no business...

 

[paskal Sniper]

it isnt secret

Well just because malaysia doesnt wanna tell us bout their training with US NAVY SEALS is bcoz the PASKIAL doesnt want media attention...and PASKAL does wanna get better in training..U see these two countries help each other..Malaysia teaches USA in Jungle Warfare...USA teaches us in URBAN WARFARE....well all this info came from a Navy Special Forces(PASKAL) Rifleman 1st Sergeant Syed Saddiq

 

[DavidDCM]

It's not only the Malaysian SF that train with the USSOF, it's Special Forces all over the world who make combined training manoeuvers. The Germans, French, Spanish, Italian, South American etc. etc. all of them train together. You wont read big news reports about any of them. That's simply the way Special Forces go. No big deal there.

 

[Red]

every single year 7000 times us jets fly over malaysian air space in joint exercise with malaysian air force...
besides that,it is maf that trains us armed forces in jungle warfare as malaysia is the best in jungle warfare prove in military fact books!!
every single year us navy seals will come twice to malaysia to do CARAT missions n others joints exercise!
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Yes you are right. All the major power`s special forces are trained by the MAF because undoubtedly, the MAF is the best in jungle warfare. It is proven in military books!! As for Carat, the USN visits Malaysia only in the whole wide world.

By the way, Singapore jets routinely fly into Malaysia when there are exercises like the FPDA. Of couse, they do not do so every other day now since the Malaysian government has disallowed it. We respect Malaysia`s sovereignty.

 

[Aussie Digger]

besides that,it is maf that trains us armed forces in jungle warfare as malaysia is the best in jungle warfare prove in military fact books!!
every single year us navy seals will come twice to malaysia to do CARAT missions n others joints exercise!

Which "military fact book"?

When has the Royal Malaysian Army ever operated in jungle warfare? They probably exercise extensively in jungle warfare, name one military operation they've ever conducted in a jungle environment though.

Off hand, I cannot think of any.

What exactly are CARAT missions? You don't by chance mean CLARET missions do you? They haven't been conducted for nearly 40 years and they certainly were NOT done by US Navy SEALS, but rather British, Australian and NZ special forces and some regular infantry battalions of those countries...

 

[paskal]

lol!

besides that,it is maf that trains us armed forces in jungle warfare as malaysia is the best in jungle warfare prove in military fact books!!
every single year us navy seals will come twice to malaysia to do CARAT missions n others joints exercise!
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Which "military fact book".

When has the Royal Malaysian Army ever operated in jungle warfare? They probably exercise extensively in jungle warfare, name one military operation they've ever conducted in a jungle environment though.

Off hand, I cannot think of any.

What exactly are CARAT missions? You don't by chance mean CLARET missions do you? They haven't been conducted for nearly 40 years and they certainly were NOT done by US Navy SEALS, but rather British, Australian and NZ special forces and some regular infantry battalions of those countries...

damn you dont now carat!
just this 2007 involving 2500 maf forces and us marine forces...
8 paskal unit,
bla,bla,bla,bla [telecomunication,statergy and all of that]
uss harpers ferry,uss jeret,uss ford,
4 f-18,
4 hawks,
1 nuri and seahawk!
the maf did this with us around 5 times already!:nutkick
maf is proven the best in jungle warfare by the way...the us callthem the silent killer![no kidding]:vamp

if u want prove juz type the names at google..
if you wanna find more go find it at the military fact book

 

[Aussie Digger]

damn you dont now carat!
just this 2007 involving 2500 maf forces and us marine forces...
8 paskal unit,
bla,bla,bla,bla [telecomunication,statergy and all of that]
uss harpers ferry,uss jeret,uss ford,
4 f-18,
4 hawks,
1 nuri and seahawk!
the maf did this with us around 5 times already!:nutkick
maf is proven the best in jungle warfare by the way...the us callthem the silent killer![no kidding]:vamp

if u want prove juz type the names at google..
if you wanna find more go find it at the military fact book

Never heard of the "military fact book" therefore I doubt it's authenticity. If you make a claim YOU are the one that should support it. That's the way debating works...

 

[paskal]

Never heard of the "military fact book" therefore I doubt it's authenticity. If you make a claim YOU are the one that should support it. That's the way debating works...

really im not kidding ...
you can go check it yourself
i cannot post the website for now but soon i will be too
thats the only reason why the us train with maf in jungle warfare while malaysia train with the us with urban warfare.

 

[Todjaeger]

really im not kidding ...
you can go check it yourself
i cannot post the website for now but soon i will be too
thats the only reason why the us train with maf in jungle warfare while malaysia train with the us with urban warfare.

Can you try typing out the web address? Since when checking US jungle warfare training, I come up with this link. It is to a page showing information on the Jungle Warfare Training Center at Camp Gonsalves, Okinawa Japan. AFAIK that is the primary location for US military training in jungle warfare at present.

As for the military fact book, do you mean the US Defense and Military Factbook?

If could also name some of the exercises or joint training operations conducted that would be helpful too, since so far thing information has been too vague for anything to really be verified.

-Cheers

 

[paskal]

Can you try typing out the web address? Since when checking US jungle warfare training, I come up with this link. It is to a page showing information on the Jungle Warfare Training Center at Camp Gonsalves, Okinawa Japan. AFAIK that is the primary location for US military training in jungle warfare at present.

As for the military fact book, do you mean the US Defense and Military Factbook?

If could also name some of the exercises or joint training operations conducted that would be helpful too, since so far thing information has been too vague for anything to really be verified.

-Cheers

every time i wanna paste the website it say that u most post at least 15 or something......

can you just type malaysian- us carat trainig mission just this 2007....
the only reason the malaysian goverment never tell the civilians is because of the islam thingy......

 

[Todjaeger]

every time i wanna paste the website it say that u most post at least 15 or something......

can you just type malaysian- us carat trainig mission just this 2007....
the only reason the malaysian goverment never tell the civilians is because of the islam thingy......

I have located sites for CARAT 2007, which is Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training 2007. In addition to the US Navy were the navies of Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, the Philippines and Indonesia, as well as USMC and USCG elements. From this news article on the Navy site, CARAT is primarily a naval exercise. I do not see what that would have to jungle warfare training, unless you are referring to the Jungle Survival Course USMC personnel underwent in Sungai Lembing Jungle.

-Cheers

 

[paskal Sniper]

its true..MAF is good in Jungle WARFARE

One of the reasons why MAF is the best in Jungle warfare is because...around 1950's to1970's THE MALAYAN govt. had an emergency..
better known as THE Malayan Emergency our MAF with the Royal Britsh Forces including the ever great SAS managed to wipe away armed Communist terrorists..all battles between MAF and the communist terrorist happened in the jungle...the communist made a very bad decision to hide in the jungle coz...for the Malaysians the jungle is their home thats y they were defeated..Before that MAF and the British used their Jungle experiece killing and almost defeating Japanese soldiers stationed in the jungle..During the Indonesian-Malaysian confrontation the INdonesian Forces infiltrated the country..Indonesians made a stupid decision to hide in the Jungle THE MAF killed nearly all Indoenesian soldiers and captured some...Although we may not be so good in Urban warfare MAF has done many peacekeeping missions in Africa and the Middle East..The MAF was responsible for rescuing US Rangers in Somalia eventhough one soldier died.. the US has helped malaysia in SAR missions in Malaysia just recently

Malaysia is in the equator zone the country consists more than 5o% jungle their main training zone.The MAF trains in the jungle like everytime...with their highly technological equipment specially designed for jungle warfare plus their high experiece plus their training with SAS and Navy SEALS The MAF is one of the best in Jungle Warfare...

As like what Mr.'PASKAL' said..the so called military fact book..wad he means is the local military magazines..it has been showing pictures of US NAVY SEALS with malaysian PASKAL=Maritime Special UNit..in the magazine it stated that US navy seals lost to malaysia in the Jungle during training..u all can check in some military type books...some of it mite have stuff about MAF speciality in the Jungle...BTW CARAT means Cooperations Afloat and Readiness Training

 

[paskal Sniper]

well

this doesnt help muc but heres a site

www. specialoperations .com /foreign /Malaysia / overview .htm

dont follow the spaces i put spaces for reasons

 

[crusader91]

If it is the truth,why isn't source code for maf's f-18 hornet not released to you people since you say US and malaysia has good military relationship and if it is really the case,why didn't malaysia buy american planes as goodwill gesture and chose to deal business with its natural rival,russia? Seems like a propanganda thread.......

 

[noob]

If it is the truth,why isn't source code for maf's f-18 hornet not released to you people since you say US and malaysia has good military relationship and if it is really the case,why didn't malaysia buy american planes as goodwill gesture and chose to deal business with its natural rival,russia? Seems like a propanganda thread.......

I'm a newbie here, just adding my 2 cents worth.

The reason why source codes are not released even to many other nations is safety in operations. Unless the country is certified by the manufacturer to modify the equipment parameters, any modification will be dangerous to the user. Even if the code are made available, nations can claim otherwise.

On the second question about why not buying american planes or equipment is mentioned earlier and nations involved are fully aware.

Sometimes what you read is not what is actually true.

 

[lozza]

Who fought whom during the Emergency.

The Emergency in Malaysia started just after WW2, 'Malaysian Chinese' Communists, were attempting to create a communist state. Their was much blood shed. Luckily Minimal blood was shed by the Malaysian Army. This along with the Confrontation against the Indonesians was primarily controlled by British and Australian troops. These British and Commonwealth Troops trained the Malaysian Troop Trainers, so even though many Malaysians were in harms way, many more could of been killed etc.
As someone said, where and when has the Malaysian Military defeated an enemy over and over?
The USA have very large annual exercises with many nations, and if they only send a few thousand personnel along with a handful of Aircraft and Ships, then it is almost only considered as a propaganda exercise. Try what happens nearly every year else where. The USA sends Aircraft carrier battle groups nuclear Subs, squadrons of aircraft and thousands of personnel from all services to take part in exercises.
Jungle Warfare, yes the Malaysian army should be amongst the best in this form of fighting, however to say someone is the best when they have never been seriously tested, is really just running of at the mouth.
Training, everyone trains for jungle warfare, and the Malaysians are no different, however a large amount of what is accepted as modern jungle warfare comes from the British, Aust, USA & Viet Nam which had a war during the same period as these other events.
Basically read "Canungra" Jungle training school Queensland,
Malaysians are a wonderful people, and are rightly taking their place in the world. But just becase a magazine that is printed in your home country say's something that sounds great, doesn't make it the whole truth, as all nations play the propaganda game. To get a real feel for things, see papers that are written by experts who are from elsewhere and are impartial.

 

[hydro]

The Emergency in Malaysia started just after WW2, 'Malaysian Chinese' Communists, were attempting to create a communist state. Their was much blood shed. Luckily Minimal blood was shed by the Malaysian Army. This along with the Confrontation against the Indonesians was primarily controlled by British and Australian troops. These British and Commonwealth Troops trained the Malaysian Troop Trainers, so even though many Malaysians were in harms way, many more could of been killed etc.
As someone said, where and when has the Malaysian Military defeated an enemy over and over?
The USA have very large annual exercises with many nations, and if they only send a few thousand personnel along with a handful of Aircraft and Ships, then it is almost only considered as a propaganda exercise. Try what happens nearly every year else where. The USA sends Aircraft carrier battle groups nuclear Subs, squadrons of aircraft and thousands of personnel from all services to take part in exercises.
Jungle Warfare, yes the Malaysian army should be amongst the best in this form of fighting, however to say someone is the best when they have never been seriously tested, is really just running of at the mouth.
Training, everyone trains for jungle warfare, and the Malaysians are no different, however a large amount of what is accepted as modern jungle warfare comes from the British, Aust, USA & Viet Nam which had a war during the same period as these other events.
Basically read "Canungra" Jungle training school Queensland,
Malaysians are a wonderful people, and are rightly taking their place in the world. But just becase a magazine that is printed in your home country say's something that sounds great, doesn't make it the whole truth, as all nations play the propaganda game. To get a real feel for things, see papers that are written by experts who are from elsewhere and are impartial.

hi I am new here so if I were wrong i would like to apologize 1st,

as far that I ve know that during the emergency era in Malaysia or simply to said during the communist insurgent era the greatest fighting squad is belong to police squad, I did asked to a retired police veteran, he quote that during that time, most of the communist feared is the police special ops or something in similar, instead of the army, this retired police officer did mention he did asked to one of the capture terrorist and asked him between the army and the police which is the most feared unit the police or the army, the terrorist reply they most feared enemies is the police instead to the army as during that time when the army walk or patrolling or tracking them thru the jungle they can notice their activities and also they were loud or noisy as for the police unit there is no way to for them to sense them or detect them at all as they are like a ghost…

 

[paskal]

hi I am new here so if I were wrong i would like to apologize 1st,

as far that I ve know that during the emergency era in Malaysia or simply to said during the communist insurgent era the greatest fighting squad is belong to police squad, I did asked to a retired police veteran, he quote that during that time, most of the communist feared is the police special ops or something in similar, instead of the army, this retired police officer did mention he did asked to one of the capture terrorist and asked him between the army and the police which is the most feared unit the police or the army, the terrorist reply they most feared enemies is the police instead to the army as during that time when the army walk or patrolling or tracking them thru the jungle they can notice their activities and also they were loud or noisy as for the police unit there is no way to for them to sense them or detect them at all as they are like a ghost…

I agree when the insurgency most communist feared the police....but that doesnt mean that they did not fear the army....
as what i learnt the communist fear the most is the army that origanate from sarawak as they were used to be in the jungle.
Lots of heroes come from sarawak since the old age like RENTAP till the insurgency like Kanang.
But still the malaysians should be most thankful of the commenwealth country like australia, new zealand ,and british .They were the one responsible of training the malayan army on that timeline.
But still the police and the army are the same since the independance, as most of the police joined the army.