M-MRCA stakes becomes hotter

Which M-MRCA IAF SHOULD GO WITH


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aaaditya

New Member
well guys now its cockpit times,i want you guys to give me your opinion on which is the best and most efficient looking.

f18e/f super hornet:





the f-16b-52







my favourite,the rafale,by the way guys can someone tell me what is that ball like object on the right side of the cockpit ,near the head up display.



the grippen:





the ef2000 eurofighter:




so guys which one do you think looks the most futuristic and user friendly..(my favourite is the rafale)
 

Scorpion82

New Member
aaaditya said:
thanks very much for the information,however doesnt,the rafale have the spectra on the wingtips?

i dont see,the current posistioning of spectra,giving the aircraft all aspect jamming capability.
No Spectra has no components on the wingtips. The Eurofighter Typhoon's DASS uses the dedicated wingtip pods, also known as ECM/ESM pods.
The Spectra components are integrated into the canard roots, the boxy container at the top of the fin, the airliftintakes and also directly at the upper fuselage at the end of the wings.
 

aaaditya

New Member
hey guys check out this highly interesting article on the cut throat rivalry in us defence market for a stake in india's mrca market.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1522915.cms

ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI: In a military and arms sales career spanning three decades, Michael Devers seldom had India on his radar -- until 2005. A senior executive with Boeing's Integrated Defence Systems (IDS), the lesser-known arms division of the giant airplane maker, Devers traveled far and wide-- Korea, Japan, Middle-East, Australia -' hawking the latest American military wares to US' allies and friends. But rarely ever to India, which resolutely bought arms from the Moscow, Washington's Cold War rival, and Europe.

Then one day it began changing. Early last year, a top Boeing executive received a phone call from Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's office. The US was going to finally clear the sale of F-16s (made by Boeing's rival-in-arms Lockheed Martin) to Pakistan. But the Secretary was keen to offer India more advanced F-16s and even newer Boeing-made F/A-18 Super Hornets in keeping with the strategic shift in the region. Was Boeing prepared for that?

"We were all stunned," another Boeing executive, who asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of the exchanges, recalled. "This is a new generation combat aircraft that we have not sold to our closest allies. Outside the US Navy, no one has it. Yet here was the Secretary asking if we were ready to sell to India and also ready for joint production." Boeing's reply was swift: Sure thing.

In mid-March 2005, Rice traveled to New Delhi for what would only later be revealed as a path-breaking visit ' of the kind Henry Kissinger made to Beijing in 1970. Amid a raft of issues that would dramatically redefine US strategic interests in Asia, Rice not only sounded out Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on the nuclear deal, but also suggested India not be too worried about US supply of F-16s to Pakistan because India could have its pick of US arms from here on.

The US was keen on a whole new security architecture in the region, a goal that was written into a ten-year military pact signed by the two defense establishments in June when Pranab Mukherjee visited Washington.

Two weeks after the Rice visit, Philip Zelikow, her policy advisor in the State Department, summed up the tectonic shift in US policy in the following words: "(The US) goal is to help India become a major world power in the 21st century. We understand fully the implications, including military implications, of that statement."

The statement was music to the ears for the folks at Boeing, and indeed, every other American arms maker such as Raytheon, Northrup Grumman, Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics. It was also the sound of cash registers ringing. Long out of bounds for America's notorious "military-industrial" complex for a variety of reasons, including sanctions, New Delhi had been fertile stomping ground for Russian and European arms dealers for years. Suddenly, Washington had thrown open the barn door and Americans could get into the scrimmage -- with, as some US firms like Boeing believe, far greater traction and advantage.

The reason for US relaxation of arms sales to India is clearly as much commercial as strategic. India's defense expenditure has climbed steadily over the past few years, current standing at $ 20 billion a year.

Although that's only a fraction of the $ 460 billion US spends and a quarter of China's $ 80 billion, it is expected to keep increasing as India looks to fulfill its potential role as a global power. In fact, India's defense expense is abysmally low when looked at in per capita terms (where Israel is by far the highest).

With each increase in India's defence budget, there has been a frisson of excitement in the world's arms bazaar as New Delhi has tried to upgrade its military.

No single item caused more animation in 2005 than the announcement that the Indian Air Force was looking for 126 Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MRCA) to supplement its fleet, where the mainstay is the aging and disaster-stricken MiGs. And the ripple reached as far as St.Louis, Missouri, a once-great Midwestern city --home to Boeing's IDS and the center of its F/A-18 Super Hornet manufacturing facility -- that is a pale shadow of its former self. And it was to St Louis that the Indian media from Washington was press-ganged (we joked) last week for a surprising sales pitch.

Typically, every great city in the world, even pretenders to greatness, has a central historic monument. St.Louis' monument is the Jefferson National Memorial Expansion, a massive steel arch (603 feet high) which commemorates the start of the Lewis and Clark expedition that resulted in the westward expansion of the United States as envisaged by its founders.

For the longest time, Boeing's interests too have lain west, riding on its better known commercial airplane division headquartered outside Seattle in the Pacific Northwest. Boeing's revenues derive broadly half and half from its military and commercial divisions. One striking feature is that whenever there is a downswing in commercial aircraft sales, the military sales go up, as it did after 9/11, attesting to the theory that arms makers thrive during wars. Things have since improved dramatically on the commercial side too, and last year, Boeing trumped its rival Airbus in sales helped in small part by $ 7 billion order from Air India.

The story of Boeing's military sales to India though is less exciting, or non-existent. Although 90 per cent of its $ 30 billion arms sales last year came from domestic US orders, the remaining ten per cent revenues came mainly from Japan, South Korea, other such favored US allies. Meanwhile, St Louis itself is seen as city in decline (it is also the headquarters for Monsanto). Boeing's workforce here has declined from around 50,000 at its peak to 16,500. The city's biggest employer now is Barnes-Jewish Hospital with 27,000 personnel on its rolls.

When the Bush administration unlocked the door for military sales to India, the delight at Boeing IDS was as great as if the Cardinals, the city's pride in baseball, had won the World Series, even though there are many miles and years, twists and turns, to go before the final innings. Clearly, Boeing officials have surmised that India could be crucial to their bottom line and Missouri's economic health, a point emphasized by the alacrity with which the state's Senator Kit Bond dashed off to New Delhi soem weeks back and announced his support to the nuclear deal as a virtual quid pro quo -- to the military purchase.

After years in the stock market doghouse when the tech fever swept the world, Boeing stock had made a comeback (from $ 33 pre-9/11 to $ 84 in recent days). If they snagged IAF's 126-combat jets order, potentially one of the world's biggest arms deals worth around $ 7 billion, it could open up a cornucopia. And it would just be the start of a relationship with a country expected to buy tens of billions of arms over the next couple of decades.

In Boeing's eyes, its IDS has a whole array of products that should be of interest to India. The Super Hornets, the T-45 Goshawk trainer jet, giant transport jets such as the C-17, the rejuvenated P-8A weaponised maritime surveillance planes, Apache and Chinook helicopters, mid-air refueling tankers, even rockets and satellites is part of their inventory.

At a Boeing executives meeting soon after the Bush's strategic ambush of India last year, the question was raised as to who was best equipped to explore the Indian market. "I think I ducked under the table," Mike Devers chuckles at the recollection. "I had last been to India in the 1980s to sell some minor stuff to BEL and India those days was not an enjoyable experience. You are talking to a guy from Southern California who loves the beaches and golf."

Still, as one of its most experienced executives who had done the Asia beat, Devers was chosen for the India project. And so off he went, to the cauldron called New Delhi in June last year, a trip he has made every month since then. When he is not making presentations to Indian military planners about the virtues of Boeing arms, he is culling weather report headlines: Last summer, when the temperature hit a bracing 47 deg C, he sent home a headline which said "It's raining heat from hell.' Indeed, the heat is on Boeing to bag the India MRCA deal because it starts with as many handicaps as advantages, as we will see next.

Boeing's dogfight for the 126-combat jet India contract involves half a dozen arms makers across the world. But the first scrape begins at home in the US. When Condoleezza Rice, dubbed the 'warrior princess' in peacenik quarters, offered India both F/A-18 Super Hornets and advanced F-16s, she set off a minor spat between Boeing and Lockheed Martin.

(The four other contenders for the deal are Dassault Aviation of France with the Mirage 2000-V, SAAB of Sweden with the JAS-39 Gripen, RAC of Russia with the MiG-29 MRCA and the British-German-Italian-Spanish consortium with the Eurofighter Typhoon. With New Delhi slated to issue its Request for Proposal (RFP) sometime in the next few weeks, you will find a lot of these nationals in New Delhi's swank hotels and bars.)

Boeing and Lockheed, like all American arms makers, share an unusual relationship. They are rivals in a sense, but they also collaborate on many projects, such as the one for the F-22 Raptor Stealth Fighter. The F/A-18 itself is a piecemeal jet – the airframe is made by Boeing IDS and Northrup Grumman, the engine by General Electric and the radar by Hughes. Beneath the veneer of civility and cooperation, US arms companies are only too ready to shoot each other down – without taking aim.


Boeing IDS officials will tell you why the F/A-18 Super Hornet is the best choice for India. It is a twin-engine MRCA, it is an F/A (for fighter/attack), and can be made for navy and air force). It has a long upside life, with orders from US Navy going into 2016 with ever newer technologies. F-16s? It's the end of the road for that fine plane. Even the USAF does not buy them any more, and once the order from the F-16-obsessed Pakistanis is fulfilled, Lockheed will close the assembly line in Texas.

Indian military planners hear all this with karmic élan, knowing that in New Delhi's scheme of things, a RFP today might mean acquisition a decade down the line, if at all. In any case, in the words of one senior IAF official familiar with the activity around MRCA acquisition, Boeing starts at bottom of the pile, for several reasons.

First among them is the famed unreliability of the American political system, as the Pakistanis found to their horror with the supply of F-16s. Then there are legacy issues: the IAF is long used to Russian systems and although its inventory has increasingly grown wider why add American to the mix now? And whatever happened to the indigenous LCA? Most of all can we really afford $ 7 billion for jets that cost around $ 53 billion apiece?

Boeing officials smile benignly at such questions, proffering answers that sound like they are selling large tractors rather than lethal jets that could raze towns and cities some day. They speak of joint manufacturing, using India's talent pool, and above all, interoperability with US systems and forces.

They speak of their investments in India, the $ 5 million a year for IISc, the $ 100 million maintenance and training hub in Nagpur. They use the word 'offset' – euphemism for investment -- quite often. And of course, there is the subtle hint that they are pulling their weight in getting the US-India nuclear deal through.

In March this year, a group of Indian test pilots was visiting US as part of the increasingly frequent military exchanges between the two countries. Although a visit to Boeing IDS was not on their itinerary, Boeing executives managed to get them to spend a day at St. Louis, where they were given a flight test review of the F/A-18 E/F and a tour of the production facility, besides a briefings on the P-8A. Indian pilots were also walked through the T-45, on which they will begin training on in Pensacola, Florida starting June this year. "The transparency was amazing considering they are non-starters going into this," an airman from the group told TNN.
 

mukunda

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gf0012-aust said:
what past history?

the Rafale has served in one hot theatre and with a maximum of 8 aircraft on tour. (Op Herakles). They ran as companion packages with Shornets and USN organic tankers

the mig35 has been deployed where and when? what operational history exists?

The SHornet OTOH has literally thousands of operational hours tested against hundreds of platforms against multiple weapons loads.

The others don't even come remotely close on the basis of operational data.

I assume that you're not serious when you make comment about judging platforms based on appearance.

warfighting is about function over form - form over function is for car shows and catwalks. ;)

as a parallel, its akin to some of the kids on here who get immersed about "one to one" comparisons of "x" widget against "y" widget and are completely oblivious about logistics.

I'm not a devotee of the Shornet, but if we are going to use real world assessment, then its a proven and competent product that fulfills basically all of the validation and acceptance criteria for "usefulness".
hi gary,
One hypothetical question? It is possible to fit in all the avionics of Rafale into Mirage 2000-5? How capable then the mirage will be? Is there any way I can PM you.
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
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mukunda said:
One hypothetical question? It is possible to fit in all the avionics of Rafale into Mirage 2000-5?
I'd say not as there are multiple issues to contend with:
  • autonomy
  • harnessing
  • re-certification
  • frame/structural issues
  • engineering issues
  • relevancy issues
  • power issues
mukunda said:
How capable then the mirage will be?
  • an expensive compromise
  • an old platform trying to be a new platform
  • completely cost ineffective.
Occum is an FTE, maybe he will give some professional advice if you ask nicely ;)
 

ssatpathy

New Member
India should stick with Mikoyan on this one period.

While I agree that the F-16 and F-18s have proven their effctiveness over time , it is also true that they are aging platforms whose time has come and gone.
Further, india cannot make the strategic mistake of acquiring miltiray hardware from the U.S for obvious reasons. We will be forever dependent on Boeing or LM for costly spares because they would not have economies of scale as these platforms are retired from service by the USAF and other airforces around the world.
Lastly, India needs a 5th generation or at least a 4.5 generation aircraft that is custom built to service the IAF's requirements. Anything else would be akin to trying to fit a square pug into a circular hole. This is precisely the advantage that India can harness partnering with Mikoyan to develop a platform from scratch. There's potentially $10 Billion at stake and India needs to ensure that this money well spent. It can use the large amount at stake to leverage an exclusivity clause in the contract which could be a strategically deft move. At a later time India can choose to jointly market and sell the aircraft to other nations. Further, India will have the flexibility to dressup the Mikoyan platform with Israeli & French avionics as has been the case with the MKIs. This looka like a no-brainer to me no matter how you look at it.
 

himeed

New Member
hey ,any idea why India is not interested in the Eurofighter Typhoon, its supposed to be the second best aircraft after the F-22..according to one comparison it said that 4.5 SU-35=1 Eurofighter Typhoon(source wikipedia), then why doesnt india want these aircrafts if they are available at the same cost as F-18 or Rafale
 

aaaditya

New Member
hey ,any idea why India is not interested in the Eurofighter Typhoon, its supposed to be the second best aircraft after the F-22..according to one comparison it said that 4.5 SU-35=1 Eurofighter Typhoon(source wikipedia), then why doesnt india want these aircrafts if they are available at the same cost as F-18 or Rafale
ef2000 is still participating in the indian mrca competition ,however its chances of winning are slim since it is too expensive compared to its competitors.
 

aaaditya

New Member
hey guys ,check out this link and article (slightly dated) about sweden's efforts to promote its gripen fighters.

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/19056.html

Unlike the Americans and the Russians, who’ve mounted a blitzkrieg pitch of their fighters for New Delhi’s upcoming contract for 126 new jets, its largest ever, Sweden’s contender has remained well behind the scenes over the last two years. But now, the country’s JAS-39 Gripen, the least visible of the six contenders, will break the silence to roar over Bangalore sky at the Aero-India 2007 Defence fair next February.

The Gripen contends with rivals that have made a far more visible hardsell, both through visits of top executives and publicity, for what is one of the most lucrative fighter deals in the world in the last 20 years potentially worth $ 7 billion. These include the American F-16 Fighting Falcon and F/A-18 Super Hornet, the Russian MiG-35, a European consortium’s Typhoon and France’s Rafale. The American and Russian fighters will compete with the Russian and American fighters for airspace over Yelahanka in February.

In service with the Swedish and Czech air forces and on order for Hungary and South Africa, the Gripen is a light fighter with dimensions similar to the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) and even runs on the same GE404 jet engine. Pitched initially as a rival to the French Mirage-2000, which has since withdrawn from the competition, the Gripen’s chances have receded in part due to the widening of the IAF’s qualitative requirements to accommodate larger and heavier aircraft like the twin-engined MiG-35, F/A-18, Typhoon and Rafale.
Top sources in the IAF indicate that among other parameters, it had wanted to purchase fighters in the 6-8 tons “empty weight” category — a slot that the Gripen shares with the F-16 and Mirage. All the others in the sweepstakes weigh nine tons or more, the heaviest being the F/A-18 at close to 14 tons. Fighter pilots are also largely of the opinion that active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars — which the Gripen is being upgraded with, but is operational on some of its rivals in the competition — will be a key decider, considering the legacy leap such technology provides to combat pilots over mechanically scanned radars. Either way, with the requests for proposal (RFP) for the 126 fighters shortly to be sent out to the six firms, Gripen will now open an India office.
 

himeed

New Member
Asian Aerospace 2006
FORCE

Aircraft giants fight over a piece of the Indian pie
By Prasun K. Sengupta

From an Indian standpoint, the 13th edition of the Asian Aerospace (AA-2006) exhibition, held in Singapore between February 21 and 26 this year, provided some critical insights into the fierce on-going competition between Boeing, Dassault Aviation, BAE Systems and RAC-MiG to supply close to 200 medium multi-role combat aircraft (M-MRCA) to the Indian Air Force (IAF). The exhibition also provided a rare glimpse into the various guided-missile R&D joint ventures that were recently launched between India and Israel.

With Dassault Aviation’s Rafale Mk1 and BAE Systems’ Eurofighter Typhoon now entering the fray along with the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and Saab’s JAS-39C Gripen for the IAF’s M-MRCA competition (FORCE February 2006, pages 52-53), Russia’s RAC-MiG has quietly dropped its offer of the so-called MiG-35 derivative of the MiG-29M. Instead, the company is now offering its I-2000 fifth-generation M-MRCA, for which RAC-MiG did significant R & D work throughout the 1990s under its privately-funded Logkiy Frontovi Istrebilte project. In fact, a highly classified briefing on two distinct variants of the I-2000 was given to defence minister Pranab Mukherjee in Moscow last November (FORCE November 2005, pages 8-9) following which he reportedly told Russian officials rather bluntly that the ministry of defence (MoD) would be more inclined towards co-developing the I-2000 with Russia rather than go for the MiG-35. The I-2000 will have a blended fuselage and thick wing centre-section. To be equipped with fly-by-light flight control systems, an all-digital nav-attack system containing French, Indian and Israeli avionics, and powered by NPO Saturn’s twin AL-41FP turbofans with thrust vectoring exhaust nozzles, the tandem-seat I-2000 will be capable of supercruise (sustaining supersonic speeds without engaging the engine’s afterburners) as well as super-manoeuvrability. More than 50 per cent of the I-2000’s airframe will be built with composite materials, and the aircraft will have a gross take-off weight of 15 tonnes, and a weapons payload of five tonnes. Both Rosoboronexport State Corp and RAC-MiG have assured the MoD that first deliveries of the I-2000 would begin within 48 months of contract signature. RAC-MiG and India’s state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) would jointly build up to four flying prototypes and two pre-production flight-worthy variants for the I-2000’s accelerated flight-test-cum-airworthiness certification schedule, which will be completed by 2010.

Substantial work was done during the '90s with this beast....
http://www.sirviper.com/index.php?page=div/Mig_i-2000

HOW THE OFFERINGS STAND NOW

US enters the race with F/A-18 & F- 16
Dassault Aviation’s pulls out Mirage 2000-5 & offers Rafale Mk1
RAC-Mig pulls out Mig-29OVT/ mig-35 & offers I-2000
BAE Systems Eurofighter Typhoon enters race

Dude ,can u please give me the web link where u got this info because as far as my knowledge goes MIG is still offering MIG-35 and that the MIG I-2000 is still only on paper??
 

ajay_ijn

New Member
Pulling out Mig-35 is completely wrong. There was a news that India even rejected to join next gen Fighter project because it was in advanced stage.

And now reports of proposal being again made in jan 2007 for join development.
whats happening really out there is a mystery.
 

aaaditya

New Member
Pulling out Mig-35 is completely wrong. There was a news that India even rejected to join next gen Fighter project because it was in advanced stage.

And now reports of proposal being again made in jan 2007 for join development.
whats happening really out there is a mystery.
also indian were not interested in the twin design pakfa project of the sukhoi design beureau,they wanted something lighter and cheaper,thats why they rejected the pakfa design ,but invited mig to display their design proposals,both mig and sukhoi have recently briefed indian airforce officials and the defence minister on their designs.
 

Ucha Sar

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also indian were not interested in the twin design pakfa project of the sukhoi design beureau,they wanted something lighter and cheaper,thats why they rejected the pakfa design ,but invited mig to display their design proposals,both mig and sukhoi have recently briefed indian airforce officials and the defence minister on their designs.
Yes, this is correct. The Sukhoi team's Pakfa project is in an advanced stage of design and the Indian defense ministry wants to be involved from the get go. With the cost per unit aircraft being an overriding concern, the MoD's argument is that the project could leverage favorable labor cost arbitrages ( lower salaries for engineers at DRDO and ISRO) to reduce the overall cost of development which could translate to slightly lower cost per unit. Further, this would give our aeronautical and aerospace engineers time to shadow their Russian counterparts and go through the entire life-cycle starting with conceptualization & design, manufacturing , assembly and maintenance - a good idea if you ask me. The IAF's needs are unique and the need of the hour is to get machines that serve their needs best. What can be better than getting something custom built to your requirement. This is precisely why I think the I-2000 project would be just awesome !
 

himeed

New Member
MIG I-2000 is a distance away..for now i seriously dont understand why India does not go for the Eurofighter..it may be expensive..but its new technology and bound to be better than pother aircraft which are 20th century technologies being modified and upgraded..further more there was speculation that India might up its MCRA deal to 200 aircraft..if they can afford 200 MIG-29/F-16 im very sure that they can affford 126 Eurofighter typhoons...and remember in a war with Pakistan,there is a chance that Pakistan will get Eurofighter from Saudi Arabia
 

Abhimanyu

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MIG I-2000 is a distance away..for now i seriously dont understand why India does not go for the Eurofighter..it may be expensive..but its new technology and bound to be better than pother aircraft which are 20th century technologies being modified and upgraded..further more there was speculation that India might up its MCRA deal to 200 aircraft..if they can afford 200 MIG-29/F-16 im very sure that they can affford 126 Eurofighter typhoons...and remember in a war with Pakistan,there is a chance that Pakistan will get Eurofighter from Saudi Arabia
Contrary to what most folks on this forum believe - India fortunately does not suffer from the "jealous neighbor" syndrome ! We don't need Eurofighters just because Pakistan has them ( frankly I don't think they can cough up the dough). We just need a great aircraft that meets the IAFs geostrategic needs -
India needs to slowly focus on building an airforce that measures up with its ambitions of becoming a global powerhouse , not just a regional one !

With nig dollars at stake, we need to also ensure that we are able to use this opportunity to bolster the design capabilities of the aeronautical/aerospace industry in India. This leads me to believe that co-development would be the best approach.
 

aaaditya

New Member
hey guys,check out this link and article,it gives some idea to what offsets russians are hoping to provide for the indian 126 aircraft mrca deal.

here is the link and article:

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_defense_story.jsp?id=news/RUS01027.xml

The release of requests for proposals for India's multirole fighter program has been delayed by protests from Russian and U.S. contractors over India's offset policy.
India's policy requires foreign defense manufacturers with contracts of more than $70 million to reinvest 30% of the total in components and services from India. Russian and U.S. contractors fear the policy, if it stands, could benefit European rivals seeking to land the 126-aircraft deal.
Boeing and Lockheed Martin want to "kick start" an industrial base in India through banking credits extended in advance of contracts (AW&ST Oct. 2, 2006, p. 67). The Russians want to de-link licenses for service divisions of manufacturing companies under terms of the Defense Procurement Act of 2006. The Russians say separate licenses will encourage the development of small repair and maintenance operations, making it easier for them to sell to Malaysia and Indonesia, India's neighbors.
The Russian view is gaining traction within the government. A clause in the procurement act making it mandatory for service companies to hold manufacturing licenses is likely to be pulled, according to a Defense Ministry official.
In a letter to the ministry obtained by Aviation Week & Space Technology, the eight partners of Rosoboronservice India are calling for a broader definition of "service" to include installation of new or replacement systems, testing, training and similar activities.
"The service sector is largely dominated by small and medium enterprises," says Rosoboronservice India Managing Director Cdr. (ret.) V.G. Jayaprakasan. He says industrial licenses are too expensive for them. The smaller businesses are needed because large manufacturers do not generally provide services, finding them a distraction from their core business.
Rosoboronservice India includes one Indian and eight Russian contractors. The company provides services and spares for Russian-designed surface ships, submarines, missile systems and aircraft of the Indian navy, including the Kamov Ka-31 and Ilyushin Il-38. It has signed agreements to support Kamov and other Russian helicopters and various naval vessels. It wants to be a one-stop shop for Russian aircraft in the Indian air force.
"Transfer of technology is not going to happen easily," says Jayaprakasan. "A joint venture in production of equipment is of no interest to any supplier" because the contract awards are too small, even for Indian investors. Another issue is capping foreign investments at 26%. If they can be licensed at a lower fee as a service provider, then smaller companies should prosper, he says.
 

aaaditya

New Member
hey guys ,just check out these images of the mig35 with the zhuk-mae active electronically scanned array,just check out the build quality.



 

aaaditya

New Member
hey guys,the sale of the russian mig35 to the indian airforce would be the hot topic of discussion during russian president vladmir putin's visit to india,i just hope that putin's personal intervention would not swing the decision in mig's favour and that the competition would be free and fair.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage_c_online.php?leftnm=11&bKeyFlag=IN&autono=19424

Russia will contest for the Indian tender for the acquisition of 126 fighters for the Indian Air Force by offering next-generation MiG jets, a top defence official here said.

"India will soon announce a tender for a large batch of light fighters. Russia and the MiG Corporation will proactively participate in the tender," Russia's deputy prime minister and defence minister Sergei Ivanov was quoted as saying by state-run Radio Mayak.

In the Indian tender, Russia's MiG-35 will compete with US, Swedish and French jet fighters for a $4 billion deal.

Ivanov, who is also chairman of the recently set-up United Aircraft Corporation as a common umbrella for the Russian aviation industry, said the MiG Corporation would offer India its MiG-35 fighters.

The MiG-35, the next generation version of MiG-29M OVT with thrust vectoring engines is a highly manoeuvrable air superiority fighter.

Ivanov said that he would discuss the issue during his New Delhi visit later this month for the annual session of
Indo-Russian Intergovernmental Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation headed by the defence ministers of the two countries.
 

aaaditya

New Member
hey guys,check out this link and article,it gives some insight into what we can expect from the swedish pavilion at the aeroindia 2007.

here is the link and article:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=8018

With the Request For Proposal (RFP) pending on the Indian Air Force’s 126 Multi Role Combat Aircraft contract, Gripen International is eyeing critical visibility at the upcoming Aero India in Bangalore.
With the Request For Proposal (RFP) pending on the Indian Air Force’s 126 Multi Role Combat Aircraft contract, Gripen International — one of the bidders in the race — is eyeing critical visibility at the upcoming Aero India (February 7-11) in Bangalore. Talking to Deccan Herad on Wednesday, Tony Ogilvy, Vice President (Sales and Marketing) — Gripen International said the show was extremely crucial in the company’s plans for India.

“We’ve pooled all our resources into the event. A big pavilion has been shipped out and for the first time in Asia, three fighter aircraft from the Swedish Air Force will be on display. Aero India will reflect Gripen’s commitment to India and show our real intent,” Mr Ogilvy said. The simulated cockpit for fighter pilots — that will be part of the Gripen pavilion at Aero India — will showcase its key features including top-of-the-line visual display and air-to-air datalinking.

Bangalore calling

Gripen, the fighters export and marketing wing of Swedish aerospace major Saab, is in the MRCA race with its JAS 39 fighter. The contract, the RFP for which is expected to be issued soon, is worth around Rs 30,000 crore. Mr Ogilvy — who is also Gripen India’s Campaign Director — said that in a market which has the F-16s, MiG-21s and the Mirages, Gripen’s had been a low-profile presence.

He, however, said the idea was to push for the change through a series of initiatives, one of them being the launch of the Bangalore operations, complete with a core team of three to four senior design and technological experts.

“Bangalore is the centre of the Indian aerospace industry and Aero India will be the ideal platform to display Gripen aircraft for the first time to the IAF, as well as the public,” he said.

Mr Ogilvy said Gripen JAS 39 offered a low-maintenance model with an assured life of 40 years. He said IAF had wanted fighters in the race to be upgraded to Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars and Gripen would — on acceptance of RFP — include the radars in the offer. On IAF’s demand for heavier, twin-engined fighters, Mr Ogilvy said he was not aware of such preferences. “We are presenting ourselves in the six to eight tonne category and single-engine fighters are the norm these days.”
 
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