Lights Brigades

[eckherl]

You never said this?



I read it in this post if I misunderstood you I apologize.
And I think nobody here disagrees with you that light brigades are mich better when it comes to fast deployments.
But you don't want to go head on with heavy units if you don't have to. Especially when it comes to the Stryker brigade. The basic Stryker does not even has enough firepower to cope with enemy IFVs. So the dismounted Javlin system is the only weapon of the brigade which is directly able to deal with the enemy mech/armored forces (Aside from artillery and airstrikes).

Have you seen this yet, we have turned them into tankers.

 

[Waylander]

I the MGS already implemented into the units? I thught there are still some problems with it.
The implemention defenitely increases the firepower which is direct available to the unit but the 105mm is not state of the art anymore and would have a hard day against modern MBTs.
This again says something about the missions the Stryker Brigade is designed for.


And no the soldiers crewing these vehicles are NO tankers!!!

 

[eckherl]

I the MGS already implemented into the units? I thught there are still some problems with it.
The implemention defenitely increases the firepower which is direct available to the unit but the 105mm is not state of the art anymore and would have a hard day against modern MBTs.
This again says something about the missions the Stryker Brigade is designed for.


And no the soldiers crewing these vehicles are NO tankers!!!

They have started training on it out in Yakima Washington, they went with the old trusty M68 designed gun.

 

[Aussie Digger]

I the MGS already implemented into the units? I thught there are still some problems with it.
The implemention defenitely increases the firepower which is direct available to the unit but the 105mm is not state of the art anymore and would have a hard day against modern MBTs.
This again says something about the missions the Stryker Brigade is designed for.


And no the soldiers crewing these vehicles are NO tankers!!!

It may not be "state of the art" but it's a good and capable weapon, at least in the L7 variant. Not sure if the Stryker uses the L7 or not, but I'd rather take my chances in that, than anything with a 60/75mm weapon that many hereabouts suggest is "ideal"...

 

[oskarm]

Stryker has M68 so it is licence copy of L7A1 if my memory works as it should.

 

[B.Smitty]

I the MGS already implemented into the units? I thught there are still some problems with it.
The implemention defenitely increases the firepower which is direct available to the unit but the 105mm is not state of the art anymore and would have a hard day against modern MBTs.
This again says something about the missions the Stryker Brigade is designed for.

IIRC, the MGS has only a secondary anti-tank role. It's primary role is fire support.

For this, the 105mm is fine (though only carrying 18 rnds sucks).

 

[Waylander]

Because of this I wrote my last sentence:
"This again says something about the missions the Stryker Brigade is designed for."

 

[eckherl]

Stryker has M68 so it is licence copy of L7A1 if my memory works as it should.

Yes - you are correct.

 

[eckherl]

Because of this I wrote my last sentence:
"This again says something about the missions the Stryker Brigade is designed for."

The FCS is pretty good, it does fire a potent KE rd, just can`t shoot until you see the whites of the enemies eyes if they are in the latest and greatest heavies that are out there. ammunition will be tailored as to what type of mission that they will be facing. You are correct though that the missions need to be defined for the crewmen, they are not designed to go out and start stalking enemy tanks, they just have enough firepower to get them out of a pickle ie: shoot and scoot. This was a major issue with our bradleys when they first entered service, everyone thought that they were tankers, the first couple of exercises cured them of this though.

 

[Waylander]

Jup, the MGS should give the Stryker Brigades the needed direct fire support (Using a Javelin all the time is not really economic ) and gives them a little bit of AT capability especially against low-middle tech enemies and everything up to IFVs.

I hope they are not going to wear an armored crest on their uniform! :
The same with our mech inf. Before every maneuver they talk about their Milans and Panzerfaust just to be completely wiped out in minutes after their tank support is gone.

 

[eckherl]

Why should they?

- The light artillery systems are not able to cope for example with a system like the PzH2000 and attached data ling assets when it comes to counterfire.

- There is not that much terrain where a wheeled AFV is more manueverable than tracked MBTs and IFVs. In fact tracked vehicles often enough have less problems with the terrain.
Show me a wheeled vehicle which is faster and more robust during cross country rides than a modern MBT.

- Heavy brigades are also supported by UAVs, Helicopters, modern recon assets, etc. This is no exclusive advantage for light brigades.

- The US Stryker brigades, France AM10RC units, etc are for sure not designed to go head on with heavy enemy forces. They are good for fast deployments, Iraqi style police operations and UN peacekeeping operations.
But all these countries still operate heavy units and are not going to kill them in the near future.

Hey - this may make it official, the Israelis are using strykers too.

 

[Waylander]

Nice picture.

Is this a .50 cal on the weapons station?
I hope they are going to use it in its intended role were it looks like it is performing well.

 

[eckherl]

Nice picture.

Is this a .50 cal on the weapons station?
I hope they are going to use it in its intended role were it looks like it is performing well.

Yep - they may of decided to replace the trusty old 30 cals.

 

[Gollevainen]

I wonder have you concidered the ligth brigade in the ligth it is used by us Finns (and I believe swedes and norweigians as well...plus the old Yugoslavia and Albania) as a sort of assymetrical unit, defending its terretory in manners of gurellia or irregural resistance forces. This sort of units in here are required to move and figth and sparsely populated forrest regions and beyond normal road supply network, where "heavy units" would really tied to the few existing roads.
They would propaply be useless in offensive warfare and in densly populated central europe (as long the defence doctrine doesent count on figthing in the occupied territory as a starting point), but we all know what it takes to win a gurellia sort of warfare, so If talking about ligth infantry, this elements should get to be atleast noted.