Lethality of Torpedo as Anti-ship weapon vis-a-vis anti-ship missiles

[Gryphon]

The Shkval

So what about the Russian Shkval supercavitation torpedo, is that just a paper tiger or a real threat to a carrier group?

Shkval torpedo (Russia) - VA-111 - Military Periscope

 

[SASWanabe]

So what about the Russian Shkval supercavitation torpedo, is that just a paper tiger or a real threat to a carrier group?

Shkval torpedo (Russia) - VA-111 - Military Periscope

the conversation has been had in this thread, the general consensus is that theyre Lemons...

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/navy-maritime/iran-anti-ship-torpedo-missile-fact-fiction-4679/

 

[gf0012-aust]

So what about the Russian Shkval supercavitation torpedo, is that just a paper tiger or a real threat to a carrier group?

Shkval torpedo (Russia) - VA-111 - Military Periscope

Been done to death in here and elsewhere

IMO a lemon

I attended a UDT conf in Hawai'i in 2005 where a senior USN scientist (the father of a significant number of USN Sub developments) discussed the capability - and he'd been testing US versions in the 60's - well before the russians.

 

[oldsailor58]

So as far as the original question goes general concensus looks like torps vs missiles when they actually hit you, your ship might live thru a missile hit where as a torpedo hit will probably send you to the bottem, on to the probability of a hit is where it looks like this is going now, else why are nations with smaller naval budgets investing in subs and smaller missile carrying ships.

need also to look at size of target. maybe someday pictures and data will be released about the USS America carrier sinking. it was hit with missles, bombs, and torpedoes for over 2 days. they had to use scuttling charges to sink her.
new carriers are built to defeat a missle hit in all areas except the island. a double
reinforced hull with a 2 foot thick layer of plastic foam in between offer greater protection against any kind of torpedo.
smaller ships don't stand a chance against either. google MK48 torpedo and see the frigate split in two. ask the Libyan navy about the missle boat A6s from the USS America hit with 2 harpoons. watching the BDA footage you see impact one, then impact two, then when the smoke has cleared nothing but water, not even an oil slick.

 

[stormrider]

Does anyone have any idea about the effectiveness of a torpedo as an anti ship weapon in comparison to anti ship missiles of modern day?

Torpedoes are meant to sink. If blown underneath the hull, its bubble vacum will break the hull in half and the boat will sink in a matter of minutes.

ASM are meant to fry the crew and cripple the boat, which is the worst scenario for any task force commander.

Which one is more effective? It depends on what you need to accomplish, tho missiles can be used effectively by a wide range of platforms, from submarines to low flying naval aviation, while torpedoes, due to its speed limitation and great noise, can only be used to its max if launched from submarines.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Torpedoes are meant to sink. If blown underneath the hull, its bubble vacum will break the hull in half and the boat will sink in a matter of minutes

Not all torpedoes operate like this
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ASM are meant to fry the crew and cripple the boat, which is the worst scenario for any task force commander.

AShM, ASM are kinetic killers. any effect is a plus

Which one is more effective? It depends on what you need to accomplish, tho missiles can be used effectively by a wide range of platforms, from submarines to low flying naval aviation, while torpedoes, due to its speed limitation and great noise, can only be used to its max if launched from submarines.

torpedoes are also air launched. fixed and rotary carry torpedoes such as the 90's and Mk 54's

 

[B1RDY]

What is it that restricts the range of modern anti-surface torpedo's. Obviously fuel is a problem but missiles can touch much further distances than some torpedo's for the same size. Also in the event an anti-surface torpedo is launched against a ship, what countermeasures do the ships have??

 

[Jhom]

What is it that restricts the range of modern anti-surface torpedo's. Obviously fuel is a problem but missiles can touch much further distances than some torpedo's for the same size. Also in the event an anti-surface torpedo is launched against a ship, what countermeasures do the ships have??

Have you ever heard about drag? Torpedoes are meant to travel under water, and water has the strange capacity to slow things down faster than air... other thing that determines the torpedoes range is the guidance wire length.