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SaudiArabian

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Many thanks to all of you, all of this data helps a lot :)

Nobody has data about the type of AIM120 carried by Japanese F15Js and the one procured to go with the South Korean F15s ?

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for the South Korean F-15

157 AIM-120C , 2/15/2001
159 Hughes/Raytheon Aim-120B , 10/10/1997
100 Raytheon/Hughes AIM-120 , 9/5/1996


thats what i found on searching on "Notifications to Congress of Pending U.S. Arms Transfers"

http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/world.html
 

contedicavour

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for the South Korean F-15

157 AIM-120C , 2/15/2001
159 Hughes/Raytheon Aim-120B , 10/10/1997
100 Raytheon/Hughes AIM-120 , 9/5/1996


thats what i found on searching on "Notifications to Congress of Pending U.S. Arms Transfers"

http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/world.html
Wow this site is excellent ! So we can add other AIM120C buyers : Turkey (even if very few), Jordan, Singapore, Czech Rep, Kuwait, Oman, Poland...

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Israel placed an order for 200 AIM-120C-7 pending approval by the Congress which is a foregone conclusion. Perhaps this is a prelude to the possible sale of AIM-120C-5 to the Arab States.
 

contedicavour

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Israel placed an order for 200 AIM-120C-7 pending approval by the Congress which is a foregone conclusion. Perhaps this is a prelude to the possible sale of AIM-120C-5 to the Arab States.
If I were in the US Congress I would do my best to keep exclusively for USAF/USN/USMC the most up to date version of BVR AAMs, so as to keep a permanent small step ahead of all other air forces... May be that's the case for the AIM-120D, but selling all over the Gulf the C-7 version would seem to me very dangerous

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If I were in the US Congress I would do my best to keep exclusively for USAF/USN/USMC the most up to date version of BVR AAMs, so as to keep a permanent small step ahead of all other air forces... May be that's the case for the AIM-120D, but selling all over the Gulf the C-7 version would seem to me very dangerous
I don't think you will be seeing the C-7 version being sold to the Gulf states at this time. The C-5 version is the likely choice. IIRC, Taiwan also purchase around 200 AIM-120C-7 earlier this year so its not exclusively being used by the USAF anymore now that it has been exported to at least 2 customers. AIM-120D is in its final stages of testing on the F-22.
 

contedicavour

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I don't think you will be seeing the C-7 version being sold to the Gulf states at this time. The C-5 version is the likely choice. IIRC, Taiwan also purchase around 200 AIM-120C-7 earlier this year so its not exclusively being used by the USAF anymore now that it has been exported to at least 2 customers. AIM-120D is in its final stages of testing on the F-22.
Thks for the info. So the USAF/USN/USMC do keep an edge over foreign air forces after all. Good idea. If only our Meteor were ready sooner ...

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Chrom

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If I were in the US Congress I would do my best to keep exclusively for USAF/USN/USMC the most up to date version of BVR AAMs, so as to keep a permanent small step ahead of all other air forces... May be that's the case for the AIM-120D, but selling all over the Gulf the C-7 version would seem to me very dangerous

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It is even more dungerous forcing everyone to buy R-77/Derby/Mica/Meteor. Moreover, that aproach can lead to everyone buying Su-30/Rafale/Typhoon instead of intentionally "downgraded" F15/F16/F-35.

This could work during cold war when countries mostly didnt had choice what equipment to buy - they was bound to one (ideologic compatable) supplier. But now political situation become a bit different...
 

contedicavour

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It is even more dungerous forcing everyone to buy R-77/Derby/Mica/Meteor. Moreover, that aproach can lead to everyone buying Su-30/Rafale/Typhoon instead of intentionally "downgraded" F15/F16/F-35.

This could work during cold war when countries mostly didnt had choice what equipment to buy - they was bound to one (ideologic compatable) supplier. But now political situation become a bit different...
That's true. I wonder though how much you can really downgrade export versions of F15/16/35 once they carry a good radar and the latest AIM120s ... Anyway, given the emphasis on Russian aeroplane exports that has been placed by Putin, Western manufacturers will certainly have to increase their competitiveness and holding back modern AAMs would amount to giving up.

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The level of ‘downgrading’ assumed for export products from the US is highly misleading. Usually it’s just a matter of some specialised radar functions removed, communications security and so on. Or stuff like ensuring the weapon can’t target geo-coordinates within Israel… It’s pretty hard to tweak a weapon so it under performs by any significant amount.

Countries that have major security agreements with the US also get access to the highest level stuff – as identical to that on issue to the US forces (NATO, ANZUS, FMF, etc).

Also its in the US’s interest to promote military strength in its coalition allies and fellow travellers. The US is very much behind the concept of a global ‘western’ army as typified by the US Navy’s “1,000 ship Navy” concept. Since western countries have common strategic aims, having common military capability promotes those aims. I don’t think the USG is very much concerned that the UAE (for example) is about to double cross them and ally with Iran!

And if the US had a double cross and had to fight against the military capability of a former ally then while the technology of some systems may be equivalent the US has a whole range of un-exported capabilities – Electronic Attack, Stealth Bombers, SSNs, F-22s, etc – and control over many of the supporting capabilities needed to make exported systems operate like SATCOM, logistics support, etc. So they retain a healthy military overmatch.

The US is an aggressive and extremely fair exporter of military products. Since countries can actually buy their products as part of wider US military orders (FMS) they can actually do so without paying a slice of development costs and with high assurance that the price they are paying is actually the cost of the system plus 8% profit. If you want to buy Russian or from Dassault or others you don’t get these sweetheart deals unless the government of the source country foots the bill and no-one is doing that anymore.
 
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