Kiwi's select NH-90 for RNZAF

[hot222]

Actually!

 

[webmaster]

Actually!

Greece it is. As to my first question, are you actually an Apache pilot, or any sort of military pilot?

 

[Aussie Digger]

I think what he's saying is "yes" webs...

 

[Gremlin29]

EnigmaNZ, those are some great commments. I'd likewise be interested to find out what the NH-90's deployability would be in various AC. It's demonstrative that the "best" of anything isn't always the best for a particular user, considering their needs and limitations.

 

[hot222]

Actually Greek Apache pilot! (-A model)

 

[hot222]

Nice helicopter but... when natural disaster strikes in the Pacific, a C-130 with a UH-1 inside is often sent to help with inter island transport, what will happen with the UH-1's are replaced with the larger NH-90's. I prosume the UH-60 was designed low slung to be carried around in the C-130, perhaps we should have gone down this route for this reason, no doubt the NH-90 was choosen as it was also choosen by the ADF and we tend to follow their purchases.

Is NZ going to replace all Hueys, or is going to keep a small number? Normally every goverment/general staff, when is going to purchase an aircraft, creates a list with the requirements that must be accomplished by the aircraft. This is a priority list. The higher the more important. Military or ...political! Normally that kind of mission is not in a high place for an Army.

 

[Aussie Digger]

I'd imagine the UH-1H fleet will be totally withdrawn. The US Army is no longer operating the UH-1H and has stopped supporting this aircraft type. As a result most users are now ridding themselves off this aircraft...

I haven't seen anything indicating that the NH-90 will fit in a C-130 and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't, they are a bloody huge aircraft... Despite the fact that they won't fit in a Herc though is hardly a reason not to choose them. A Blackhawk will only fit in after damn near disassembling the whole thing... With most Countries in the Asia-Pacific only a day or 2's steaming time from NZ, I hardly think it's the most critical issue here. The MRV will allow NZ to deploy a significant number of Helo's in a quick enough period of time. The Hercs can be used for more useful things such as deploying troops, vehicles material etc...

 

[pepsi]

I haven't seen anything indicating that the NH-90 will fit in a C-130 and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't, they are a bloody huge aircraft...

According to this they do : http://www.defence.gov.au/media/download/2004/Aug/310804.cfm

But yeah, im sure you probably have to spend a good amount of time taking it apart first..

PS i'm new here, ive been reading this forum for awhile, its really informative

 

[Jason_kiwi]

New Zealand will transport its NH90's on their new MRV. I THINK the MRV can carry about five of them. Can anybody confirm that?

 

[nz enthusiast]

Sadly not so many jason_kiwi, according to information on the governments defence website it can only carry two helicopters, principly a seasprite and a NH-90.
The NH-90 when disassembled should be able to fit in one or two C-130Hs. I wonder how the Nh-90 fits inside a A-400M? because since both options are european and designed by the same group of people they should be designed to work together.

 

[Jason_kiwi]

I thought it was 2 NH90's and one seaspite
.will NZ be purchasing A-400M's in 10 years time?
try this link, it says it can take 5 nh90's
http://www.defencemodels.com.au/Projects/MRV.asp

 

[nz enthusiast]

Ok the site says it can carry 5 Nh-90s which i assume means that it can have 5 nh-90s stored its cargo hold but one NH-90 and one seasprite can use the maintiance and deck facilitys on board.
One do trust more with this sort of information the NZ government site or some Australian site.

 

[Jason_kiwi]

If the cargo deck can only take 5 NH90's how many LAV's can it take? about 5 aswell. I don't think the info is right on the sight at all. I think it can take aroung 15-20 LAV's

 

[nz enthusiast]

Remember Jason this vessel isn't actually that big, try matching up the dimensions of the LAV wit hthe MRV, i don't think that will be able to varry anymore than 5, at the stage it probably can't carry any extra helicopters than the 2 used on the deck.

 

[Jason_kiwi]

I am not sure about the deck. How many LAV's can it take? they said a balliton. How much is that?

 

[nz enthusiast]

From what the NZ government said its 250 troops including there vehicle and basic supplies. How many vehicles they need, i have no diea.

 

[Jason_kiwi]

I would say around 25, like at east timor.

 

[Aussie Digger]

From what the NZ government said its 250 troops including there vehicle and basic supplies. How many vehicles they need, i have no diea.

The MRV is being designed to lift a single NZ "company", not a full battalion. A standard rifle company is approx 120 strong. A standard battalion is around 600 strong.

Remember guys the MRV is NOT being designed as an amphibious assault vessel, (ie: capable of deploying troops in the face of significant resistance) but rather as a ship which can transport troops and deliver them to shore if they have to deploy to a Country without suitable docking facilities. From the looks of the MRV I'd say they could probably only operate 2 medium helos (such as NH-90). 10-12 LAV's would be required to provide to provide a full motorised capability for the rifle company. I'd say the MRV could carry this number of vehicles. It would be fairly useless if it couldn't...

 

[EnigmaNZ]

Can we keep PP and related talk in the naval section guys, under the thread dealing with PP please, we are getting info on PP spread all over the place.

 

[Jason_kiwi]

Here is some of the NZ projects from now-2010. They include the NH90 and 757.​

rojects approved and in acquisition phase ​

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Boeing 757 acquisition and modification​

Medium range anti-armour weapon​

Very Low Level Air Defence Cueing System​

Light Operational Vehicle​

Multi-role vessel​

Offshore and inshore patrol vessels​

Special operations equipment​

P-3 mission systems upgrade​

P-3 communications/navigation systems upgrades​

New Defence headquarters building ​

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Projects approved in principle by government ​

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C-130 life extension​

C-130 communications/navigation systems upgrades​

Direct fire support weapon - area​

NZDF helicopter capability​

Ohakea consolidation​

Army engineering equipment ​

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Projects necessary to avoid the failure of policy ​

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Joint command and control system ​

Improvised explosive device disposal ​

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Projects necessary to provide a well-equipped land force ​

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Land intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance equipment​

Combat service support vehicles​

Army tactical trunk communications​

Army in-service weapon replacement​

General service vehicle fleet replacement ​

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Projects necessary to avoid significant risks to policy ​

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ANZAC self-defence upgrade​

NZDF torpedo replacement​

C-130/P-3 self-protection​

Anti-ship missiles​

Joint communications modernisation ​

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Projects that have benefit but are less critical to achieving policy objectives ​

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High readiness infantry company​

Short to medium range aerial surveillance​

Remote mine detection​

Army manoeuvre range​

Indirect fire support weapon​

Infrastructure projects​

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