KAI KF-21

[Ananda]

Korea hints at accepting Indonesia's cost sharing reduction proposal on KF-21 project

Korea's state procurement agency on Wednesday hinted at accepting Indonesia's proposal to reduce its cost sharing for the KF-21 fighter jet program under the condition of providing fewer technology transfers, a move that would increase the financial burden on Seoul.

m.koreatimes.co.kr

Korea DAPA according to this article seems going to agree with Indonesian MinDef proposal. They also believe this payment adjustments will not hinder the realization on 48 KF-21 licensing plan in DI.

All the talk in media again confirm the problem with tech access that being used by Indonesian MinDef as reason to ask reduced payment participation. Even this will reduce the Tech Access, seems some officials in Indonesian MinDef accept this, as they believe what they are having access too already limited. The incident with couple DI Engineers in the program seems being one of main trigger lately.

As being put on previous post, at least this seems going to reach agreement to settle this drama. Indonesian officials seems not really think it will damage Indonesian reputation, as they're now put possition that the level of tech access not justified previous number of Investment.

Korean seems going to accept this for hope it will keep Indonesia as users of KF-21. As the dispute now on participation for Program development, and separate with productions agreement.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Korea hints at accepting Indonesia's cost sharing reduction proposal on KF-21 project

Korea's state procurement agency on Wednesday hinted at accepting Indonesia's proposal to reduce its cost sharing for the KF-21 fighter jet program under the condition of providing fewer technology transfers, a move that would increase the financial burden on Seoul.

m.koreatimes.co.kr

Korea DAPA according to this article seems going to agree with Indonesian MinDef proposal. They also believe this payment adjustments will not hinder the realization on 48 KF-21 licensing plan in DI.

All the talk in media again confirm the problem with tech access that being used by Indonesian MinDef as reason to ask reduced payment participation. Even this will reduce the Tech Access, seems some officials in Indonesian MinDef accept this, as they believe what they are having access too already limited. The incident with couple DI Engineers in the program seems being one of main trigger lately.

As being put on previous post, at least this seems going to reach agreement to settle this drama. Indonesian officials seems not really think it will damage Indonesian reputation, as they're now put possition that the level of tech access not justified previous number of Investment.

Korean seems going to accept this for hope it will keep Indonesia as users of KF-21. As the dispute now on participation for Program development, and separate with productions agreement.

Well hopefully this drama will come to an end soon. It will be already nice if in the end Indonesia is able to build the KF-X under licence.

 

[Ananda]

It will be already nice if in the end Indonesia is able to build the KF-X under licence.

Under license manufacturing of KF-21 actually at this moment are more ROK concern rather then Indonesia. Despite some trashy talks to Indonesia continue delaying payment by ROK forrumers and media pundits, some of more level headed pundits acknowledge KF-21 program need Indonesia 48 order.

What they are concerning right now is if Frenchie/Dasault then approach Indonesian MinDef offering more attractive packages for licensing Rafale. It doesn't mean they already offering that, but it can happen. Thus this is why ROK try to get deal for Indonesian order.

That deal is more important then Indonesian delay payment for KF-21 development. Question will be what ROK and Indonesia try to agree on. Indonesia so far asside junior partner also the only customer outside ROK for KF-21.

 

[koxinga]

KF-21 program need Indonesia 48 order.

But why?

If it is about having sufficient orders, ROKAF alone would order more than 100 to replace their F-5s/F-4s. In parallel, they have export potential with the KF-21, notably with ME countries frustrated by US refusal to give access to F-35 or existing customers like Thailand (also having F-35 rejection), Philippines, Malaysia.

The 48 KF-21ID isn't 100% guranteed; a lot of things can change due to administration and politics since this will be second half of this decade, earliest. The bet that ID will keep the order if it KAI would be willing to accept Indonesian cuts in the program is something I won't make.

 

[Ananda]

But why?

Because at this moment, it is still the only export order ROK DAPA has in pipeline. As I already put, the Indonesian order can still be moved to other fighters (ie Rafale), but so far it is that still in export pipeline status.

Getting launch export customer is not easy. Look how long Rafale can get more export order after Egypt as launch export customer. Even got Egypt as launch export is long struggle for Dasault. At least at this moment Indonesia still 'seems' say yes to become first export as part Junior partner status.

Korean Media and pundits already talks on export order from Poland, UAE, Thailand, Malaysia or Philippines. However so far they are still potential. Thus as business view, their 'potential' order still below Indonesian order on the certainty sides.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

But maybe there is a possibility that the amount of 48 KF-21 will be cut to less, because of the unwillingness by the government to pay for all of them. Or maybe some of those 48 KF-21 will be converted to T-50i/FA-50.

 

[Ananda]

Yes the deal can still have several possibilities of outcome; can be ordered as plan (48 with license agreement), can be reduce without license manufacturing, can be switched to FA-50 or F-50, or can be altogether cancelled.

Still until ROK can get more export order, or potentially other Junior Partner, they still stuck with Indonesia, including Indonesian bargaining. Rumours also talk ROK wiling to consider Indonesia reduce payment and portion, but not as steep as Indonesia ask. They're wiling to consider 50% reduction from 20% portion to 10%. However they want to lock Indonesia especially Prabowo's commitment (as next administration) for that 48 order.

So, it's still in bargaining, but perhaps hopefully it is closer to end deal after all (for the sake ending this drama). Problem (again this is my opinion) when SBY administration close to end, ROK not doing enough lobby to Jokowi's camp. Seems now they're learning on Indonesian politics more, and try to deal with Prabowo's camp also. At least they already knows Prabowo as defense minister.

 

[Ananda]

[단독] KF-21, 美 F-35보다 빠른 '마하 1.8' 첫 돌파…국산전투기 최고속도

한국형 전투기 KF-21이 지난주 시험비행에서 국산 전투기 최고 속도인 마하 1.8을 돌파했습니다. 최근 인도네시아가 부담해야 할 개발 분담금이 대폭 삭감돼 논란이 된 그 전투기인데, 그래도 아직 기술 개발은 순조롭

n.news.naver.com

Meanwhile KF-21 continue with it's trial program, and reported already exceed Mach 1.8.

KF-21, ‘미티어’ 공대공 미사일 첫 실사격 성공…국산 AESA 레이더와 연동

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bemil.chosun.com

Also it's reported successful live fire meteor missile. So far I haven't found Video shown that. Last year there're video on life fire for IRIS-T missile, and release of dummy meteor missile.