Israel develops new cruise missile
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i dont think so! US involvement, yes but no indian.
India has been involved with an Israeli sub launched cruise missile project. and it's not Brahmos.PJ-10 BrahMos said:
India and Israel aren't working on Delilah, so it's possible. Although I can't see Israel assisting China with nuclear technology.srirangan said:
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Good job, well done.:
The motivation behind the development of the Popeye turbo cruise missile, and the Israeli acquisition of advanced diesel submarines that have the capability of launching these long range cruise missiles is easy to figure out. Iran, another Muslim nation of peace, is developing a sophisticated nuclear capability of not only bombs but advanced IRBMs, with warhead direction changing capability, that is going to be very difficult for an ABM system to defeat. Most of all since the Iranians are building a WMD infrastructure that will be 100% indigenous.
Due to Israels size and security restrictions its WMD command and control, and weapons, can only be deployed in only a few Locations. Eventually the Iranians will develop the weaponry to destroy these bases and Tel Aviv. This is why the Israelis are developing the third leg of their triad, the submarine with the nuclear capable popeye turbo, "of which America uses a variant". This submarine led of the triad just may be the only one that survives an Iranian first strike.
They are doing it because the religious/terrorist supporting fanatics running Iran will annihilate them if they get the chance. Its something I believe too. I believe these mullahs would launch.
Due to Israels size and security restrictions its WMD command and control, and weapons, can only be deployed in only a few Locations. Eventually the Iranians will develop the weaponry to destroy these bases and Tel Aviv. This is why the Israelis are developing the third leg of their triad, the submarine with the nuclear capable popeye turbo, "of which America uses a variant". This submarine led of the triad just may be the only one that survives an Iranian first strike.
They are doing it because the religious/terrorist supporting fanatics running Iran will annihilate them if they get the chance. Its something I believe too. I believe these mullahs would launch.
I have a question
I will first comment on ,way to go Israel!Now my question,can you tell me about Iran's so called missile that can effect the magnetic sphere around the earth?And if I may make a statment to an Ideal in giving us a way of defusing their missile.I understand alot about magnetics and electro-magnetics and also degausers.Maybe creating a missile to attach it's self to this missile,and turning it around and send it back to where it came from .And exploding on impact ,and where our smart missile can redirect their missile,and also have a strong laser tracking device with a warhead on it's nose.By taking out more of their missile base period.The other Ideal would be to have the missile attach it's self to the missile,and have it redirect the missile to a lake ,where it can be turned off.And then finding out how it works and then creating another missile that puts a dent in all of their missiles.And neutralizes any of Iran's missiles that they try to send up into the magnetic sphere in the first place.Also maybe putting up a grazner laser in orbit.to vaporize their missiles.Just a thought.Cosmos
I will first comment on ,way to go Israel!Now my question,can you tell me about Iran's so called missile that can effect the magnetic sphere around the earth?And if I may make a statment to an Ideal in giving us a way of defusing their missile.I understand alot about magnetics and electro-magnetics and also degausers.Maybe creating a missile to attach it's self to this missile,and turning it around and send it back to where it came from .And exploding on impact ,and where our smart missile can redirect their missile,and also have a strong laser tracking device with a warhead on it's nose.By taking out more of their missile base period.The other Ideal would be to have the missile attach it's self to the missile,and have it redirect the missile to a lake ,where it can be turned off.And then finding out how it works and then creating another missile that puts a dent in all of their missiles.And neutralizes any of Iran's missiles that they try to send up into the magnetic sphere in the first place.Also maybe putting up a grazner laser in orbit.to vaporize their missiles.Just a thought.Cosmos
Cosmos, you lost me. I cant tell if your breaking my stones or what.
Iran is developing the Shahab-3b IRBM with the characteristics I'm referring to, "of course". This missile is not your everyday SCUD. First off it has both an advanced laser INS and GPS guidance package, or suspected to. The warhead has its own course correction capability which will allow it to change direction in flight. The IRBM itself should be able to attain a CEP of 30 to 50 meters and maybe less.
They don't even need that many of them as they can open an attack with a salvo or regular SCUDS or Shahabs. This opening salvo will hose the Israeli ABM batteries out of missiles,"especially if they use decoys". With the ARROW batteries already depleted they can then finish off the Jews with the 3bs.
Sound fantastic? Well morality aside such an attack actually makes sense from a purely military/strategic viewpoint. Israel only bases its nuclear forces at a few bases,"again due to security/geographical reasons". They have only two bases their type 800 submarines stage from. The only IRBM they have, that can threaten Iran, is the Jericho-ll. And refresh my memory but isn't there only one base they are staged from? Now you have their LR fighter/bomber forces that are tasked nuclear. They only stage from a few bases as well. Most of their population and CNC is in Tel Aviv.......
.......is the threat adding up here?
Their concern about Iran is a lot more then paranoia. Thus they ordered the type 800s from Germany with the 25.5" torpedo tubes, which can only be used with cruise missiles as there is no such torpedo that size. Its very possible one or two submarines are the only asset that survives the mullahs punching the buttons. Its also possible, that with the size of their country, the mullahs might decide getting rid of the Jews is worth whatever retaliatory capacity Israel retains after an Iranian first strike. The bulk of their society will survive,"so they may think", and the price is worth the goal of annihilating Jewry. "Were talking about men who made children walk thru minefields barefoot to clear paths for soldiers here".
So the world seems ready to accept Iran going nuclear. At least the Russians, Chinese, and Europeans appear to. But theres a lot more to it and if I were an Israeli there is no way I'd allow them to. But I doubt Israel alone has the capability to meaningfully delay Irans program. Not without using nukes its ownself. America can do it but it would be a huge and sustained attack package that would have to be prosecuted for days, if not weeks.
I was a few hundred air miles from Tehran in Nov. 1979 when they took those hostages in that embassy. We mobilized for days and only needed the green light from Carter to go. He never sent us! I knew then, even as a 21yo kid, it was a mistake. Ive always thought that this war started on that day.
Thank you.
Iran is developing the Shahab-3b IRBM with the characteristics I'm referring to, "of course". This missile is not your everyday SCUD. First off it has both an advanced laser INS and GPS guidance package, or suspected to. The warhead has its own course correction capability which will allow it to change direction in flight. The IRBM itself should be able to attain a CEP of 30 to 50 meters and maybe less.
They don't even need that many of them as they can open an attack with a salvo or regular SCUDS or Shahabs. This opening salvo will hose the Israeli ABM batteries out of missiles,"especially if they use decoys". With the ARROW batteries already depleted they can then finish off the Jews with the 3bs.
Sound fantastic? Well morality aside such an attack actually makes sense from a purely military/strategic viewpoint. Israel only bases its nuclear forces at a few bases,"again due to security/geographical reasons". They have only two bases their type 800 submarines stage from. The only IRBM they have, that can threaten Iran, is the Jericho-ll. And refresh my memory but isn't there only one base they are staged from? Now you have their LR fighter/bomber forces that are tasked nuclear. They only stage from a few bases as well. Most of their population and CNC is in Tel Aviv.......
.......is the threat adding up here?
Their concern about Iran is a lot more then paranoia. Thus they ordered the type 800s from Germany with the 25.5" torpedo tubes, which can only be used with cruise missiles as there is no such torpedo that size. Its very possible one or two submarines are the only asset that survives the mullahs punching the buttons. Its also possible, that with the size of their country, the mullahs might decide getting rid of the Jews is worth whatever retaliatory capacity Israel retains after an Iranian first strike. The bulk of their society will survive,"so they may think", and the price is worth the goal of annihilating Jewry. "Were talking about men who made children walk thru minefields barefoot to clear paths for soldiers here".
So the world seems ready to accept Iran going nuclear. At least the Russians, Chinese, and Europeans appear to. But theres a lot more to it and if I were an Israeli there is no way I'd allow them to. But I doubt Israel alone has the capability to meaningfully delay Irans program. Not without using nukes its ownself. America can do it but it would be a huge and sustained attack package that would have to be prosecuted for days, if not weeks.
I was a few hundred air miles from Tehran in Nov. 1979 when they took those hostages in that embassy. We mobilized for days and only needed the green light from Carter to go. He never sent us! I knew then, even as a 21yo kid, it was a mistake. Ive always thought that this war started on that day.
Thank you.
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Thank you for the information,I stand corrected
Thank you for that well given information.If it's any worth I have a location where they working on more of these missiles.Mazandaran,Iran.Bahrah Avaran Sanat Shomal Company.Origin AS12880 ,route 217.219.160.0/20 They are calling it GHF6-RIPE. cosmos
Thank you for that well given information.If it's any worth I have a location where they working on more of these missiles.Mazandaran,Iran.Bahrah Avaran Sanat Shomal Company.Origin AS12880 ,route 217.219.160.0/20 They are calling it GHF6-RIPE.
cosmosWell i read it all and i have some comments.
First of all as someone said here, we don't actually need any cruise missile, beside the threat of it we don't need it.
Israel's UAV's and sooner missiles can't do less good than a Tomahawk or this new missile.
The Israeli suicider UAV, the Harpy, is much more reasonable choise for this kind of attack.
can carry a warhead of more than 100kg, can give actual visual on the target, low cost.
Israel operate the Harpy for long time now and i can't see anything this missile can do better.
now, as for the technology, EU and US always getting shock after things israel have developed.
After the Python missiles proved themselves as the best in the world, evreyone put huge doubts that such a small country can develop " the best air to air missiles in the world ".
so i have some news,
There is no technology of radars \ seekers \ guidance in the US or EU that israel doesn't have, the question is what we chose to put on a specific model or not.
Israel have few companys of weapons \ UAV's, that succeeding only because they are all " Made In Israel ".
In israel the co-operation between companys works 10 times better than in any place, because the soul fact that Israel is SO Small, we're all like everyone else, 20 minutes ride between 1 company to another, etc.
When the IAI - Malat Division, co operate with Elta and Elbit, and couple of more smaller companys, they create amazing things, like the new Israeli UAV that is just about to get into production - " Eitan " 26 meters wing span, can carry 4000kg of weapons \ other payload.
Israel might be small, but we all know we have to defend ourselves, so we know what to do no less better than anyone else.
If we needed cruise missiles - we would've made those much sooner after the US denied us from Tomahawks.
We needed ABM system - we now have the Arrow.
we can create evreything we ACTUALLY need all alone, the question is how much we need it.
BTW,
The Popeye Turbo is long time ago operational in the Dolphin submarines, and i don't know about the actual range, but it can get into any middle eastern country, with this kind or another nuclear weapon. ( 200kg nuclear warhead - 6kg PU. )
As for the nuclear weapons someone mentiouned here.
Accusing israel for its nuclear weapons will not help anyone.
Israel is not going to disarm its nuclear arsenal, and it really doesn't matter who will ask, or as for now, WHEN.
Israel is not a country that is dangerous with those kind of weapons, and i think we proved it for the last 40 years we have them.
Israel is not a country who threat other country by having those, like Iran is, and evreyone knows that israel will not use its WMD, only by last resource.
We are reasonable people, we're not going to take over the world, or to nuke the whole middle east ( couple of plans i already heard over the internet ).
Israel might be small, but the options to deployed missiles base are big, and be sure than 90% from the options israel have to send a nuclear missile You and I don't know about.
First of all as someone said here, we don't actually need any cruise missile, beside the threat of it we don't need it.
Israel's UAV's and sooner missiles can't do less good than a Tomahawk or this new missile.
The Israeli suicider UAV, the Harpy, is much more reasonable choise for this kind of attack.
can carry a warhead of more than 100kg, can give actual visual on the target, low cost.
Israel operate the Harpy for long time now and i can't see anything this missile can do better.
now, as for the technology, EU and US always getting shock after things israel have developed.
After the Python missiles proved themselves as the best in the world, evreyone put huge doubts that such a small country can develop " the best air to air missiles in the world ".
so i have some news,
There is no technology of radars \ seekers \ guidance in the US or EU that israel doesn't have, the question is what we chose to put on a specific model or not.
Israel have few companys of weapons \ UAV's, that succeeding only because they are all " Made In Israel ".
In israel the co-operation between companys works 10 times better than in any place, because the soul fact that Israel is SO Small, we're all like everyone else, 20 minutes ride between 1 company to another, etc.
When the IAI - Malat Division, co operate with Elta and Elbit, and couple of more smaller companys, they create amazing things, like the new Israeli UAV that is just about to get into production - " Eitan " 26 meters wing span, can carry 4000kg of weapons \ other payload.
Israel might be small, but we all know we have to defend ourselves, so we know what to do no less better than anyone else.
If we needed cruise missiles - we would've made those much sooner after the US denied us from Tomahawks.
We needed ABM system - we now have the Arrow.
we can create evreything we ACTUALLY need all alone, the question is how much we need it.
BTW,
The Popeye Turbo is long time ago operational in the Dolphin submarines, and i don't know about the actual range, but it can get into any middle eastern country, with this kind or another nuclear weapon. ( 200kg nuclear warhead - 6kg PU. )
As for the nuclear weapons someone mentiouned here.
Accusing israel for its nuclear weapons will not help anyone.
Israel is not going to disarm its nuclear arsenal, and it really doesn't matter who will ask, or as for now, WHEN.
Israel is not a country that is dangerous with those kind of weapons, and i think we proved it for the last 40 years we have them.
Israel is not a country who threat other country by having those, like Iran is, and evreyone knows that israel will not use its WMD, only by last resource.
We are reasonable people, we're not going to take over the world, or to nuke the whole middle east ( couple of plans i already heard over the internet ).
Israel might be small, but the options to deployed missiles base are big, and be sure than 90% from the options israel have to send a nuclear missile You and I don't know about.
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Patzek.I am a supporter of Israel
When I was stationed in Ft. Bliss,Texas,The Israeli's were training with our boys there.The Pilot's there said they never dreamed that the Israeli's could be their better in the air.But the Israeli's became friends with our boys there at Ft. Bliss.So I still back up Israeli's,Air Forces,as well as their capabilities with other military forces.If you wanted to talk private to me sometime,I would enjoy speaking with you more.Thanks,May El Elohe Yisrael,and Elohim Shekinah be you friend,cosmos
When I was stationed in Ft. Bliss,Texas,The Israeli's were training with our boys there.The Pilot's there said they never dreamed that the Israeli's could be their better in the air.But the Israeli's became friends with our boys there at Ft. Bliss.So I still back up Israeli's,Air Forces,as well as their capabilities with other military forces.If you wanted to talk private to me sometime,I would enjoy speaking with you more.Thanks,May El Elohe Yisrael,and Elohim Shekinah be you friend,cosmos