Is NAG really the most advanced?
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it may not be the most advanced missile around but it definitely is not primitiveDefcon 6 said:
here are some of its capabilities:
1)range of 4-6 kms
2)it has a highly advanced imaging infra red radar ,which gives it very high hit probability in all weather conditions day or night.
3)a millimetric wave radar was supposed to be developed however as of now indians are experiencing problems developing the sensor.
4)it is the world's only all composite missile ,with the missile body having been constructed of fiberglass ,it weighs around 42kilos and can also be fired from helicopters
5)it has solid fuel smokeless propellents which makes it very difficult to detect.
6)it has fire and forget capability.
7)it has direct attack and top attack capabilities.top attack capability makes armour thickness and sophistication useless since the missile hits the weakest portion of any modern battle tank that is the turret and the turret bustle in which ammo is stored thus ensuring the death of the crew as well as the complete destruction of the battletank .(you can refer to the nag test fire video posted in the indian millitary pictures thread in the images forum,which shows it actually destroying the target).
8)these type of missiles are classified as third generation missiels(they are fire and forget ex;nag and hellfire),second gen missiles are computer guided and require continuous guidance for example the pakistani missile bakhtar shikan,the first generation missiles are wire guided ,not only are they cumbersome but also require continuous guidance the best example is the tow missile.
9)for more information on the missile along with pics check out www.bharat-rakshak.com (it is slightly outdated info but still pretty usefull)
except for the mmw radar(which is still under development)it has all the features of a modern anti tank missile. :coffee
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starwarsworld.... No I'm not an agent of "ISI" (whatever that is....) I simply am asking for some additional info on this missile. I'm not interested in which political dick is bigger.
I appreciate the answers so far and interested post, however these are all the same info retyped.
I would like the following specific questions answered.
Does it have a minimum range?
What is it's inflight speed?
What is the warhead diameter?
Does it have a variety of warheads? Is it single, tandem, HE, Rod, or FAE?
Any guestimates on it's armor penetration.
Thanks again for these answers in advance.
Kenny
I appreciate the answers so far and interested post, however these are all the same info retyped.
I would like the following specific questions answered.
Does it have a minimum range?
What is it's inflight speed?
What is the warhead diameter?
Does it have a variety of warheads? Is it single, tandem, HE, Rod, or FAE?
Any guestimates on it's armor penetration.
Thanks again for these answers in advance.
Kenny
well buddy isi stands for inter service intelligence it is the pakistani spy agency .echo501 said:
the missile carries a tandem warhead.armour penetration is not an important factor with this missile since it has top attack capability.
for info on other question you can check www.bharat-rakshak.com
:coffee
top attack capability is one of the most important specification of any modern anti tank missile as it makes the tank most vulnerable irrespective of its armour protection.echo501 said:
for direct kill the warhead will have to be very powerfull ,this can increase the weight of the missile .
offcourse the nag's warhead is capable of defeating all the modern era's with a direct hit ,i believe it has a 6 kg tandem warhead(not exactly sure though,will try to find more info on it).
other websites that can provide more information are www.drdo.com and www.bdl.com :coffee
The Information you are asking is still not in public domain. most of the Information that you have are mostly guesswork and some from sites like bharat rakshak.echo501 said:
Only thing sure about this Nag missile is, its max. range is 4 KM. guidence infra red. its speciality is top attack. thats all. one of my friend has seen the test, it is OK.100% hit rate.
Regarding best in the world, yes it is ONE of the best. as long as buyers are happy and it hit the target. who cares???
Nag is definitely not the most advanced!
Hi all,
Nag is still a missile that is sweating it out on user trials..
Its main platform now is NAMICA..
But its dedicated platform LCH(Light Combat Helicopter) (similar in class to Cobra) is still on drawing boards.
I guess..the best missile available now is Israeli Spike-SR missile
(also there is MR and ER)..it supposedly beat Javelin in some countries user trials.
1) Nag (only IIR seeker )will automatically use top-attack mode for ranges bellow 1300 meters
2) Its 4km range from land-based carrier platform and 7.5 km from helicopter
3) It used HE tandem warhead to defeat ERA and i guess a shape charged warhead to penetrate armour..
in short a normal missile..and no anti-heli capability also i guess
Feuding about superiority of anti-tank missile is really stupid.
coz most advanced anti-tank missiles can be bought easily and nobody asks questions(no MTCR issues)..its like arguing about a bullet vs another bullet
btw..wire-guided is not old-fashioned..the most advanced Spike-ER (8-10km)uses wire-guidance for mid-course correction in-addition to IIR
Hi all,
Nag is still a missile that is sweating it out on user trials..
Its main platform now is NAMICA..
But its dedicated platform LCH(Light Combat Helicopter) (similar in class to Cobra) is still on drawing boards.
I guess..the best missile available now is Israeli Spike-SR missile
(also there is MR and ER)..it supposedly beat Javelin in some countries user trials.
1) Nag (only IIR seeker )will automatically use top-attack mode for ranges bellow 1300 meters
2) Its 4km range from land-based carrier platform and 7.5 km from helicopter
3) It used HE tandem warhead to defeat ERA and i guess a shape charged warhead to penetrate armour..
in short a normal missile..and no anti-heli capability also i guess
Feuding about superiority of anti-tank missile is really stupid.
coz most advanced anti-tank missiles can be bought easily and nobody asks questions(no MTCR issues)..its like arguing about a bullet vs another bullet
btw..wire-guided is not old-fashioned..the most advanced Spike-ER (8-10km)uses wire-guidance for mid-course correction in-addition to IIR
One comparable missile which incorporates all the named features already exists since some time and that's the Spike.
And while GF is right that aquiring a target at these extreme ranges is damn difficult it gets easier with the wirde guided midcourse update.
If one know that there is a tank out there at the limit of it's range one fires the missile into the general direction (hopefully firing from behind a berm or some other cover so no direct LOS is needed).
With the missile coming closer to the suspected position of the enemy tank one can adjust the flight profile via the picture fed into the control panel by the seeker of the missile.
This capability is what really makes a difference between old school LOS ATGMs and new modern ones.
It gives the soldier the ability to fire from behind cover, increases the effective range of target aquisition and even enables the soldier to attack a new target of opportunity or to abort the whole attack.
And all this without loosing the ability to also do a shoot and scoot attack.
While I think that Javelin indeed is a good ATGM it is it's lack of some of these capabilities which makes it IMHO a little bit inferior to other modern ATGMs like Spike ER or the mentioned NAG (if the serial production model really meets the marketing proposals).
And while GF is right that aquiring a target at these extreme ranges is damn difficult it gets easier with the wirde guided midcourse update.
If one know that there is a tank out there at the limit of it's range one fires the missile into the general direction (hopefully firing from behind a berm or some other cover so no direct LOS is needed).
With the missile coming closer to the suspected position of the enemy tank one can adjust the flight profile via the picture fed into the control panel by the seeker of the missile.
This capability is what really makes a difference between old school LOS ATGMs and new modern ones.
It gives the soldier the ability to fire from behind cover, increases the effective range of target aquisition and even enables the soldier to attack a new target of opportunity or to abort the whole attack.
And all this without loosing the ability to also do a shoot and scoot attack.
While I think that Javelin indeed is a good ATGM it is it's lack of some of these capabilities which makes it IMHO a little bit inferior to other modern ATGMs like Spike ER or the mentioned NAG (if the serial production model really meets the marketing proposals).
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Its not your job to tell any member what he should be doing or not. Its moderator's job. & unfortunately we prefer that we do our jobs. Next time any problem or complaints you contact any of the concerned mods or supermods. We will be more than happy to take action for you.
Take care next time.
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