Dude Pakistan's Nuclear Program is Uranium based and North Korea's Plutonium based
Your kidding right? If your not aware of the history then Im just not going to take up space here again with it.
I get a chuckle reading your posts, it seems you are on some type of blind personal crusade? Pakistan, a country which cleans up mess created by western powers is a terrorist state? It seems you are very angry and mad at something and only way for you to relax is through pile of accusation along with articles from anti-country/hate sites which are run by Pakistan's enemy #1.
And your simplistic view makes me chuckle as well. Afghanistan was invaded by the Soviet Union to prop up a "communist" government they had installed in the first place. The only American involvement was money and support we sent to the Mujahadeen to fight the communists. Remember them? Remember the Soviet union with the 20,000 nuclear warheads aimed at us? A "mess created by the western powers they cleaned up". Thats a remarkable statement, "notice how you dont back it up with any facts again".
And after the Soviets withdrew pray tell me what could we have done to get the Mujahadeen to lay down their arms and get day jobs?
I aint angry about anything. Please stick to the topic. I cant help but wonder why you are sticking up for the Pakistanis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atrocities You do know how to use a search engine dont you to investigate the Bangladeshi genocide yourself.
Oh, and I agree the mujahadeen couldn't have been as successful without US help. And I agree the CIA was involved. Brilliant move that, stopping the Soviets. Kudos to both Carter and Reagan.
And as usual some are accusing me of hating Muslims
nfloorl: I'm not against a friendship with Pakistan or the Muslim world but we had better do it with our eyes open and while acknowledging the past. Nobody,no people, and no nation, is perfect. However we as Americans are so disturbed by the thought anyone would want to fight a war over religion that we stick our heads in the sand when others are doing so. For decades we were flimm-flammed into believing the Saudis were our friends when the entire time the Kingdom was supporting terror groups with money and fighters. The House of Saud even made a secret agreement with Al Qaeda telling them they could do what they want as long as they left the House of Saud be.
And anyone that doesn't think Pakistan gave North Korea significant help building their nukes and missiles is in denial. Or are the nuclear scientists lying?
http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=mj05norris
More recently, Pakistan has played a substantial role in the progress of North Korea's nuclear program. In the second half of the 1990s, Abdul Qadeer Khan, scientist and "father" of Pakistan's nuclear program, supplied uranium enrichment equipment and perhaps even warhead designs to North Korea, according to some news reports. Khan originally came to world attention for stealing centrifuge designs and equipment while working in the Netherlands in the 1970s. After returning to Pakistan, Khan used suppliers from around the world to build centrifuges capable of enriching uranium for Pakistan's bomb program. Those vendors and manufacturers became the foundation of an extensive and profitable black market run by Khan and others, which amassed hundreds of millions of dollars. U.S. intelligence agencies monitored Khan's network for years but did little to halt the traffic, so as not to compromise sources and methods or, later, jeopardize relations with Pakistan. Achieving short-term foreign policy goals took precedence over preventing widespread nuclear proliferation. [4]
I never said the Pakistani people were the ones who gave the North Koreans nukes. They cant even vote so how could they give away nukes? I dont believe for a second that the Khan network could have functioned as it did without the knowledge of the then Govt. of Pakistan, most of all the knowledge of the ISI. In a Police state how in hell could the top nuclear scientists of Pakistan board a civilian airliner, fly to North Korea, and nobody in Govt, the Police, or Intelligence, know it?
nfloorl:
And so.......
This is not the first thread where you are trying to spread anger against America what exactly you trying to do … now stop labeling America for everything.. did you see Joint news conference by Bush and Musharraf ?? aahh I don’t think so …
They are Politicians what do you expect them to say? SANFU'ee??? Personally I do believe Musharraf wants better ties with America and doesn't like terrorism. I myself admire the man but he is under tremendous pressure and can only do so much because much of Pakistan's population sympathizes with their Islamic brothers. Most of all his ISI which has always been sympathetic with Islamic terrorists.
And any US General is also under orders to stress the "good" in the relationship and not the "bad". Personally it troubles me to think that some of my countrymen are that naive to think the current resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan was done without Pakistani assistance.
Nice bunch the Taliban. Yeah they certainly "fixed" Afghanistan. Now let me ask you one question. The Taliban were/are intolerant religious fanatics right? They hate westerners, hate non-believers, sheltered and aided Osama and company right? Fought the alliance, indeed are still fighting us. Committed all sorts of vicious and intolerant acts correct?
Why would you think the elements in Pakistan that created the Taliban, and helped them every step of the way, would suddenly now consider them enemies? And the Americans as now their friends?
You cant really believe that???
