Iran New Fighter Jet
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All and all messege is clare....almost all of us are lookin at it as upgraded or modified F-5 version and it is of no good.
As I said Iran will be buying FC-1 version rather than JF-17. So the purchase would be from China rather than Pakistan. All Pakistan can do for Iranians is to get the China lower the price a bit. But this deosnt has any thing for Pakistan in it. I dnt think Pakistan would be willing to risk its Major Non Nato Allie Status but I do hope they make a brave move and sell the JF-17 version to Iranians. We dont even if this jet stands a chance against upgraded F-7 (Mi-21). Its a brave step forward but still a poor move.
& salman78 thanks for reminding me that F-5 was twin engin (counter for MiG19 twin engin jet) I seemed to have for got that.
Any ways every one is evaluating it as upgraded F-5 and I think it just might be true.
Dont v have any Iranian member here who knws abt his/her country's AF, who can comment on this and bring us much better info.
One thing is for sure that USA is planning to attack Iran. Pakistan wouldnt have provided its land for attack on Iran do USA goes after Iraq by this they will kill two targets with one builet. Now Iran is surrounded. USA army is in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pakistan will pull out support for both countries (In front of media we would be supporting IRan and speekin against USA's attack). But I still dont c USA attackin IRan in near future. Bush has few months left in office and if Democrates come in than attack would be even further delayed. I pray it doent happen. The bad news for Iran remains that their Tanks and Jets wont be able to do any thing just like Iraqi airforce was unable to do any thing. Its a military political move by Iran to roll out this just, remmember Sadam used to do the same. Every year he ll polish his Jets and tanks and roll them out as if they were brand new but look what happened in the end.
As I said Iran will be buying FC-1 version rather than JF-17. So the purchase would be from China rather than Pakistan. All Pakistan can do for Iranians is to get the China lower the price a bit. But this deosnt has any thing for Pakistan in it. I dnt think Pakistan would be willing to risk its Major Non Nato Allie Status but I do hope they make a brave move and sell the JF-17 version to Iranians. We dont even if this jet stands a chance against upgraded F-7 (Mi-21). Its a brave step forward but still a poor move.
& salman78 thanks for reminding me that F-5 was twin engin (counter for MiG19 twin engin jet) I seemed to have for got that.
Any ways every one is evaluating it as upgraded F-5 and I think it just might be true.
Dont v have any Iranian member here who knws abt his/her country's AF, who can comment on this and bring us much better info.
One thing is for sure that USA is planning to attack Iran. Pakistan wouldnt have provided its land for attack on Iran do USA goes after Iraq by this they will kill two targets with one builet. Now Iran is surrounded. USA army is in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pakistan will pull out support for both countries (In front of media we would be supporting IRan and speekin against USA's attack). But I still dont c USA attackin IRan in near future. Bush has few months left in office and if Democrates come in than attack would be even further delayed. I pray it doent happen. The bad news for Iran remains that their Tanks and Jets wont be able to do any thing just like Iraqi airforce was unable to do any thing. Its a military political move by Iran to roll out this just, remmember Sadam used to do the same. Every year he ll polish his Jets and tanks and roll them out as if they were brand new but look what happened in the end.
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Aussie Digger
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1 Laser Guided Bomb and this is what that hardened aircraft shelter will resemble...
That jet seems to have Russia engines, the RD-31 or whatever it's called, the same one that powers the SU-30. Oh and the F-5 is normally a twin engined jet. Cheers.
That jet seems to have Russia engines, the RD-31 or whatever it's called, the same one that powers the SU-30. Oh and the F-5 is normally a twin engined jet. Cheers.
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Aussie Digger
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Wide area dispersal and clever camouflage is a much better way of surviving these days I think, not to mention far cheaper. I haven't heard of any aircraft shelters standing up to bombing lately.
Agree completely, No HAS is going to have much chance of surviving current PGM's. A static structure is a target waiting to be struck.Aussie Digger said:
The days of queued revetments and display line parking are well and truly invitations for group destruction.
It's also why the Taiwanese, Swedes, Swiss, US all have a capability to deploy some assets inside of mountains - and even they will be vulnerable to variations of the "bunker buster"
The US has been delving around with shaped charge nukes - something that was previously thought to be impossible (if not very difficult
)As it stands (no pun intended), a bunker buster will make very short work of a HAS.
Revival_786
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I guess the HAS's defence is from more on-ground weapons, such as high-powered hand-guns/rifles or small missile weapons (which will still do considerable damage I think) but the HAS can't withstand a round from a fairly modern tank or a PGM attack.
lalith prasad
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su30 has al engines.
fieldmarshal
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f-5 has always been a twin engine ac, the ac shown in the pic looks like this 747 that i saw in a movie, which actually was a 707 it just had some atificial structure on top to make it look like a 747. i forget the name of the movie
cheenamalai
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Mann i don't get it :!:
Y don't Iran, China, Pak, Syria, Indonesia---------------------------------- work together and make an aircraft? :mad
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Y don't Iran, China, Pak, Syria, Indonesia---------------------------------- work together and make an aircraft? :mad
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mysterious
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Mr. "cheenamalai", this is not a fantasy forum and so, only practical issues are discussed based on facts and/or practical knowledge and facts. I've noted that you are a 'newbie' and I've seen your posts, please refer to the rules of posting before continuing to post irrelevant one liners (a zillion dashes is not a sentence).
omegasigma
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Even if you put all the minds in the countries you mentioned together, engineering a brand new aircraft will be a difficult venture for these countries. They do not have the experience, education and infrastructure required. Even their own civilian aircrafts are maintained by companies from United States, India or Europe.cheenamalai said:
You gotta be kidding me. Did you just pop India in the list to make yourself feel good? Any example of India maintaining civilian aircrafts for the above mentioned countries to back your claim??
As far as I know China, Indonesia and Pakistan are quite capable of handling their own civilian aircrafts. China and Indonesia even have quite advanced aircraft production facilities.
TO GET BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC
The iranians have simply reverse engineered an F5, scalled it up and given it minor modifications and called it an iranian plane.
Very little is known about the plane but as time goes on and more is learnt about the plane l think we will see what countries were/are involved.
Iranians without being sarky do not have the ability to make their own engines, such a project to be called indigenous is a moral booster for the iranian people but will carry very little weight in the military aviation circles.
My best guess would be that the engines are of russian origin as is the ejector seat. The rest.... well time will tell.
To say that the plane is a 4th generation machine is laughable ( l don,t mean to take the piss), but this brings it on par with the Gripens and Rafale.
lt would be best described (at this moment in time) as a 3rd generation unproven plane.
lf america was to attack iran (very unlikely as iraq is still not settled and the american troops seem to be in the long haul and bogged down) l don,t think the americans would see much of an arial battle.
lnstead the threat would be from SAMS.
All things considered l respect the fact that the iranians are trying very hard in becoming self sufficient and it will be a great learning exercise for the engineers, scientists and technicians.
Who knows what decent avionics and weapons may do for this plane !
The iranians have simply reverse engineered an F5, scalled it up and given it minor modifications and called it an iranian plane.
Very little is known about the plane but as time goes on and more is learnt about the plane l think we will see what countries were/are involved.
Iranians without being sarky do not have the ability to make their own engines, such a project to be called indigenous is a moral booster for the iranian people but will carry very little weight in the military aviation circles.
My best guess would be that the engines are of russian origin as is the ejector seat. The rest.... well time will tell.
To say that the plane is a 4th generation machine is laughable ( l don,t mean to take the piss), but this brings it on par with the Gripens and Rafale.
lt would be best described (at this moment in time) as a 3rd generation unproven plane.
lf america was to attack iran (very unlikely as iraq is still not settled and the american troops seem to be in the long haul and bogged down) l don,t think the americans would see much of an arial battle.
lnstead the threat would be from SAMS.
All things considered l respect the fact that the iranians are trying very hard in becoming self sufficient and it will be a great learning exercise for the engineers, scientists and technicians.
Who knows what decent avionics and weapons may do for this plane !
mysterious
New Member
How does American consultation effect Jf-17 sales? Its an entirely Sino-Pak venture and NO ONE except Pakistan and China themselves has a say over Jf-17 sales to other countries. That is also one of the main points that Pakistan and China stress from time to time to market Jf-17 to other third world countries in which they stress that Jf-17 sales would not be politically motivated, so there is no problem of sanctions and blah blah. :smokingc: