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The last two days the Jupiter Aerobatic Team is doing exercises above the southern part of Jakarta.
We can expect that this will be the last 17 Agustus without the Rafales.
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Further agreement and workshare in Indonesia on KAAN project. Republik Aero (RAD) will build MRO and training facility, while DI will conduct final assembly from some of the KAAN airframe.
The last one for again raise question on DI and KAI agreement to do final assembly job in DI facility for IF-21. I just don't see DI has capabilities to have two seperare assembly line for KAAN and IF-21.
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In Indodefence Republikorp already signed agreement on licensing production of Atmaca and Cakir SSM. Seems they are strenghthening the licensing agreement with Roketsan with Hisar Medium range SAM and Sungur Shorad. It will be done om stages with Cakir SSM being first.
In sense it is good that more private companies in Indonesia got chances to become MIC, however MIC it self is highly capitalise industry and need lot of defense contract support. Something that make State Owned MIC become the choices. Don't know how far this Republikorp will retain capital support on their development stages.
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Not only lacks IPTN the capabilities to build/assemble both the KF-21 and KAAN, besides the N219, NC212 and CN235, but Indonesia also doesn't have budget to order 2 x 48 4,5/5th generation fighters besides other procurement programs.REPUBLIKORP
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Further agreement and workshare in Indonesia on KAAN project. Republik Aero (RAD) will build MRO and training facility, while DI will conduct final assembly from some of the KAAN airframe.
The last one for again raise question on DI and KAI agreement to do final assembly job in DI facility for IF-21. I just don't see DI has capabilities to have two seperare assembly line for KAAN and IF-21.
All those announcements of plans/promises and attempts of holding meetings and negotiations are in my opinion just empty promises and theater.
That is a lot of new licence production programs for such a young company.REPUBLIKORP
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In Indodefence Republikorp already signed agreement on licensing production of Atmaca and Cakir SSM. Seems they are strenghthening the licensing agreement with Roketsan with Hisar Medium range SAM and Sungur Shorad. It will be done om stages with Cakir SSM being first.
In sense it is good that more private companies in Indonesia got chances to become MIC, however MIC it self is highly capitalise industry and need lot of defense contract support. Something that make State Owned MIC become the choices. Don't know how far this Republikorp will retain capital support on their development stages.
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That AIM-9P looks like a live round ..... or is it? Yellow band, complete rear fins etc ......
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You can be right, training rounds are normally blue or white with blue stripes.
Yes - the yellow band is the indicator ... at least that's how I remember it from the modeling days .....
The bigger question is - why load a live round for a parade flight?
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Is there a possibility that that aircraft had a double role/task during the day? Maybe besides the demonstration flight, it also had to protect the airspace against incoming aircrafts larger than UAVsYes - the yellow band is the indicator ... at least that's how I remember it from the modeling days .....
The bigger question is - why load a live round for a parade flight?
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If not mistaken, that particular Hawk 200 just arrive that day to Halim AB from it's home base at Supadio AB. Perhaps they are also doing their patrol rooster at that time also.
Yes, that's why either IF-21 or KAAN. There is assembly facillity being prepared for IF-21 as part of KFX/IFX program. However it is not fully invested as plan yet. Nonetheles if DI going to get involve on Final assembly of either types, it will be on that facility, but only one line assembly can be conducted.
Just like Submarine facility with PAL, being build for DSME 1400, but now going to be use for Scorene NG. The facility in DI that being build for IFX, more and more seems will be use for other type. So future fleet for TNI-AU can still be only two-three types as present. Rafale, LCA (could be FA-50) and either IF-21 or KAAN. Question is, whether politically a US type still needed to be inserted. IF-21 or KAAN future in TNI-AU in my opinion depends on that.
If only between KF/IF-21 vs KAAN, my money put on KAAN as more likely candidate. Rafale additional batch has more future then potential F-15EX as seems the direction shown. Which is better for budget reality. ROK seems see that also, as they are now actively looking for new partner either UAE or Poland.
In regards to the announced deal for Rafale acquisition are there plans to acquire aerial tankers for such ,I am aware of a singular tanker a KC 130 B which Im not sure if able to refuel to the Rafale
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2 A400M with tanker capabilities will replace 2 1960's KC130B (only 1 still active). There're plans for more tankers, but those 2 A400M is the procurement that already effective.
Present economic situation in Indonesia I suspect will cut down more procurememt of different types. So Rafale will have A400M as tankers to support them.
Present economic situation in Indonesia I suspect will cut down more procurememt of different types. So Rafale will have A400M as tankers to support them.
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Since RAAF MRTT already conduct air refueling with TNI-AU F-16, it is very plausible they can do the same with Rafale. However TNI-AU useage of MRTT (whether RSAF or RAAF owned) derived from the fact the KC-130B is Probe-Drogue system, and need boom system for their F-16. MRTT can do both, and the chance for their own MRTT so far still in limbo, despite some talks on procure them 2 years ago.
Akhirnya, Indonesia Pilih Airbus A330 Multi Role Tanker Transport (MRTT) untuk Dioperasikan TNI AU - Mylesat
MYLESAT.COM – Setelah keputusannya sempat jeda dan dinilai netizen akan gagal total, Kementerian Pertahanan Republik Indonesia akhirnya memutuskan untuk mengakuisisi pesawat tanker Airbus A330 Multi Role Tanker Transport (MRTT) yang dikembangkan dari A330 sipil. A330 MRTT ini akan dioperasikan...
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Some rumours say chances of 2nd batch of 2-4 A400M is more likely then 2 A330 MRTT.
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If TNI-AU cancels the plan to upgrade the 23 second hand F-16C/D fleet and orders more A400Ms instead of the A330 MRTT, this could be an indication that they do not want to invest anymore in the F-16. In that case it is likely that the F-16 will be taken out of service in the next 10-20 years, to make place for more Rafales and the replacement of the Hawk Mk109/209.
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Budget reality with present economic situation really make question of potential acquisition of F-15EX. Boeing seems begin to realize they are most likely get commercial deal with Indonesia and F-16 MLU with Turkiye (Ozgur) seems going to be push asside to give fiscal room for KAAN agreement. Thus those F-16 will be retain more likely by end of decade or early next one.
So asside Rafale as MRCA, the candidate for LIFT/LCA replacement seems FA-50 Blk 20 for Hawk 209 that will be acquire through newly build and also upgrade on existing TA-50. While Hawk 109 replacement seems being indicate will be M346.
All using Probe receptor, and even F-16 replacement (either IF-21 or KAAN) being indicate to have Probe receptor instead Boom ones. Thus in future more Tanker like A400M has more potential in my opinion to be acquired then MRTT.
This present demostrations and some riots in my opinion going to push Prabowo's administration to rebalancing the budgets on social needs. Thus F-16 Ozgur and F-15EX more and more shown to be scrap. Well that's my personal assesmemt on current trend.
So asside Rafale as MRCA, the candidate for LIFT/LCA replacement seems FA-50 Blk 20 for Hawk 209 that will be acquire through newly build and also upgrade on existing TA-50. While Hawk 109 replacement seems being indicate will be M346.
All using Probe receptor, and even F-16 replacement (either IF-21 or KAAN) being indicate to have Probe receptor instead Boom ones. Thus in future more Tanker like A400M has more potential in my opinion to be acquired then MRTT.
This present demostrations and some riots in my opinion going to push Prabowo's administration to rebalancing the budgets on social needs. Thus F-16 Ozgur and F-15EX more and more shown to be scrap. Well that's my personal assesmemt on current trend.
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The question that seems arise now in Indonesian MinDef what's the priority. They (MinDef) from what I heard put requirement for another batch of 2-4 A400M and MRTT (A330 Neo or KC-46) for 2025-2029 procurement cycle budget.
However seems it is questionable on that period all can be procure. Thus indication seems shown more A400M can be prioritise then MRTT.
However seems it is questionable on that period all can be procure. Thus indication seems shown more A400M can be prioritise then MRTT.
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Well this J-10 talk seems arrise again, and coincide with today Prabowo's arrival in Beijing to attend PRC 80th birthday military parrade. He will be schedulle to have seperare meeting with Xi. So lets see if this even mentioned.
Prabowo supposedly went to Beijing in Monday, however the demonstrations and unrests last week hold thw plan. Now after he meet with all political factions and labours unions, seems he will go to Beijing for one day only (cut from previous three day plan).
This shown that Prabowo's trying to balance Between China and US. Perhaps the talk and some effidence (so far) that few western backed NGO's involve in funding and stirring unrests last week also factor in.
If this J-10C goes according to plan, there're several indications being talk and rumours around:
- China offering to give J-10C directly from PLAF inventory or production line. This will ensure all will be delivered within this term.
- Budget that being source will come from plan F-16 and Flankers MLU and IF-21 investment drive.
- This will make TNI-AU fighters modernisation going to replace both F-16 and Flankers with Rafale and J-10C. With both France and China offering them will be in TNI-AU operational inventory within just few years ahead.
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Already in Beijing to watch Military Parade in Tiananmen Square. After that will have meeting with Xi. Will know later on wherther J-10 still in Agenda. There's rumours that Beijing offer first batch going to be deliver next year. It is not clear yet if this is from existing PLAF inventory or diverting from current J-10 production line.
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