Indonesia: 'green water navy'
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Sandhi Yudha
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PAL owns the design of the Makassar Class LPDs, for years they have invested in training and facilities, and they are now also the only one in Indonesia with the expertise and experience of building LPDs. So it is unlikely PAL will just give away the blueprints and all knowledge/IP. It is like demanding that IPTN give away the licence of the NC-212 to another company.
I agree with Sandhi Yudha there. Another thing to consider is that there just isn't that big a market for LPDs. As far as I can tell the Indonesian Navy already got as many LPDs as they want. There might be one more order, maybe, to replace the oldest, but that one is still working fine, so it's more likely they'll just keep using it. WIth no more domestic order, only the export market is left, and there just isn't many. Maybe Philippines will add another ship, maybe Malaysia will buy a couple too, but that's about it.
With only a few potential order, a private shipyard would rather focus on something else. Patrol craft is more promising, since the Indonesian Navy needs dozens of them still over the next couple decade and will continue needing them as older patrol crafts get retired.
With only a few potential order, a private shipyard would rather focus on something else. Patrol craft is more promising, since the Indonesian Navy needs dozens of them still over the next couple decade and will continue needing them as older patrol crafts get retired.
Ananda
The Bunker Group
If PAL can handle the work load then it is alright to take all the job at PAL. However there're indications PAL already over stretch. There are no need in going to be giving IP of the Makasar class LPD to other yards. They simply outsource the job, and there's precedents on this at other state owned yard.
Bintuni class LST design is owned by Dok Kodja Bahari (DKB), but because they have productivity problem, then the design being outsource to other Yards to be build most of it. DKB LST has hull number 518 and 519, thus supposedly launch first before Bintuni that now become lead ship of the class. However because production problem, it is launch much letter on then the LST from private yards.
This is the point that I like to make, PAL or other state owned yard like DKB has histories of over streched thus delay on the project. Question is not just whether there will be more order for Makasar class LPD in future, however can PAL new projects still being manage with overall ambitious project load. PAL should be more realistic on their own capacities.
Bintuni class LST design is owned by Dok Kodja Bahari (DKB), but because they have productivity problem, then the design being outsource to other Yards to be build most of it. DKB LST has hull number 518 and 519, thus supposedly launch first before Bintuni that now become lead ship of the class. However because production problem, it is launch much letter on then the LST from private yards.
This is the point that I like to make, PAL or other state owned yard like DKB has histories of over streched thus delay on the project. Question is not just whether there will be more order for Makasar class LPD in future, however can PAL new projects still being manage with overall ambitious project load. PAL should be more realistic on their own capacities.
This is the sea based launched for the Cakir SSM which is a box. More likely Atmaca.
Ananda
The Bunker Group
Already in Indonesia water near Sunda Strait. I wonder if KRI Brawijaya will goes directly to Surabaya or stoping first in Jakarta. If the ship stop over first in Jakarta, means some brass in MinDef and TNI HQ want to inspect.
Ananda
The Bunker Group
First Indonesian PPA ship arrives in the country - Naval News First Indonesian PPA ship arrives in the country - Naval News
At this moment KRI Brawijaya has stop over in Lampung Naval Base, before go to Jakarta for ceremonial acceptance and then to Surabaya as the home base for official induction to 2nd Fleet. Both PPA and Both FMP as TNI-AL biggest Frigates are expecting to be part of 2nd Fleet.
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Entering Lampung Naval Base
At this moment KRI Brawijaya has stop over in Lampung Naval Base, before go to Jakarta for ceremonial acceptance and then to Surabaya as the home base for official induction to 2nd Fleet. Both PPA and Both FMP as TNI-AL biggest Frigates are expecting to be part of 2nd Fleet.
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Entering Lampung Naval Base
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Ananda
The Bunker Group
North Sea Boats as manufacturer, put video on KSR X33 operational concept. In summary:
- The concept of X33 is Hybrid between crewed and uncrewed.
- It is working in team at minimum of 3 as part of swarms missile attack on choke points. 3 X33 also being planned to be board LPD as mother ship.
- With small diameters it is hoping to blend with commercial small vessels.
- North Sea/Lundin Boats still hoping to get Kongsberg SSM as main equipment.
Ananda
The Bunker Group
From Keris FB
Personally I also have interest with Lampung Naval Base. This is relatively new Naval Base, and it is shown it can handle at least two large frigate or two LPD. Thus this stop over before goes to Jakarta, seems also want to shown the base. The base actually being build to support Marines training and base nearby.
Personally I also have interest with Lampung Naval Base. This is relatively new Naval Base, and it is shown it can handle at least two large frigate or two LPD. Thus this stop over before goes to Jakarta, seems also want to shown the base. The base actually being build to support Marines training and base nearby.