Yes. And if they get concerned, they can always buy the rest of the Type 23s from Britain when the MoD decides to sell them.
Seriously, I think they have plenty of Navy to defend a CV.
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Seriously, I think they have plenty of Navy to defend a CV.
how is India's Long Range Aircraft ASW platforms? I guess that would ease the job on the frigates before entering to a certain region
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It depends on which missions arise. Garibaldi operated off the Pakistani coast during operations in Afghanistan, using AV8B Plus on several missions. The same ship also operated in the Indian Ocean in the 90s off Somalia.
Latest missions have been in the Mediterranean, namely off Lebanon's southern coastline to support our Marines in peacekeeping mission.
Now that we have the Cavour carrier as well, which is much larger, there is a capability to operate anywhere needed.
It is just that Italian interests rarely justify projecting power too far out of the Med. The farthest away mission was Timor, but we sent a LPD/H of the Santi class, not a carrier.
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indian navy has provisionally selected the p8poseidon to replace the russian bears in service,currently price negotiations are going on,once inducted these aircrafts will tremendously bolster the indian naval capability.the p8 was evaluated along with the airbus a-319 and was found superior to the a-319.
a319 was offered by eads as a competitor to the p8 ,it consists of a-319 platform equipped with a customisd mission system.the design is still in concept size.
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India barred from offensive use of US warship
* Pentagon allows USS Trenton be used for relief operations only
NEW DELHI: India has signed a clause with the US restricting deployment of a warship bought from the country for offensive purposes.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh led United Progressive Alliance (UPA) is being criticised for signing a “restrictive clause” assuring Americans that it would not deploy the war ship USS Trenton – now known as – INS Jalaswa for offensive purposes. It has also allowed regular American inspection of the 36-year old ship, purchased by India in 2005-06.
The acceptance of a “restrictive clause” in the contract for the ship worth $50 million is set to further embarrass Manmohan Singh government embroiled in the Indo-US nuclear deal. The allied Left Parties on Saturday asked the government to order a probe into the “dubious” purchase of the US warship. Adding woes to the government, Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) in its latest report has said the ship was purchased even without physical assessment.
In accepting the Pentagon’s condition that the ship should not be used for “offensive deployment” but only for relief – such as after the Tsunami of December 2004 – the Indian Navy has given up its right to use the vessel for the purpose for which it was built. “There is no way that you would purchase a weapon system if you cannot use it for offensive action,” said former Navy Chief Admiral (rtd) Arun Prakash.
Though, it was during his tenure (2005-06) the deal was clinched, Prakash said “ultimately it is not the navy chief or naval headquarters that takes these decisions,” putting the onus on the Union Cabinet, which has final say in signing multi-billion dollar deals. The Trenton was used for eviction during the Israeli-Hezbollah war of 2006. It has been also used for offensive actions like landing marines from the sea to attack an enemy and capture hostile territory. The ship is a troops-carrier and is capable of taking within its hold armoured vehicles and tanks.
The Jalashva’s six embarked SH-60 helicopters are capable of being used both for surveillance and attack. The Indian Navy intends using its small landing craft to transport its marine commandos (Marcos) in stealthy offensive and sabotage missions. Last month, six of the Jalashva’s crew died after a gas leak on board the vessel during a drill in the Bay of Bengal. A naval board of inquiry is investigating the cause of the leak but prima facie reports have pointed to a defect inherited by the Indian Navy.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\03\17\story_17-3-2008_pg4_17
Looks like the USS Trenton will be restricted to training & relief Ops.
* Pentagon allows USS Trenton be used for relief operations only
NEW DELHI: India has signed a clause with the US restricting deployment of a warship bought from the country for offensive purposes.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh led United Progressive Alliance (UPA) is being criticised for signing a “restrictive clause” assuring Americans that it would not deploy the war ship USS Trenton – now known as – INS Jalaswa for offensive purposes. It has also allowed regular American inspection of the 36-year old ship, purchased by India in 2005-06.
The acceptance of a “restrictive clause” in the contract for the ship worth $50 million is set to further embarrass Manmohan Singh government embroiled in the Indo-US nuclear deal. The allied Left Parties on Saturday asked the government to order a probe into the “dubious” purchase of the US warship. Adding woes to the government, Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) in its latest report has said the ship was purchased even without physical assessment.
In accepting the Pentagon’s condition that the ship should not be used for “offensive deployment” but only for relief – such as after the Tsunami of December 2004 – the Indian Navy has given up its right to use the vessel for the purpose for which it was built. “There is no way that you would purchase a weapon system if you cannot use it for offensive action,” said former Navy Chief Admiral (rtd) Arun Prakash.
Though, it was during his tenure (2005-06) the deal was clinched, Prakash said “ultimately it is not the navy chief or naval headquarters that takes these decisions,” putting the onus on the Union Cabinet, which has final say in signing multi-billion dollar deals. The Trenton was used for eviction during the Israeli-Hezbollah war of 2006. It has been also used for offensive actions like landing marines from the sea to attack an enemy and capture hostile territory. The ship is a troops-carrier and is capable of taking within its hold armoured vehicles and tanks.
The Jalashva’s six embarked SH-60 helicopters are capable of being used both for surveillance and attack. The Indian Navy intends using its small landing craft to transport its marine commandos (Marcos) in stealthy offensive and sabotage missions. Last month, six of the Jalashva’s crew died after a gas leak on board the vessel during a drill in the Bay of Bengal. A naval board of inquiry is investigating the cause of the leak but prima facie reports have pointed to a defect inherited by the Indian Navy.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\03\17\story_17-3-2008_pg4_17
Looks like the USS Trenton will be restricted to training & relief Ops.
Hehe, In the unlikely event that IN had to use her for offensive action, it will be used and IN may apologise to US gov. later. There is very little any one can do to prevent that from happening (short of bombing and sinking her).
It is certainly a strange condition to impose when selling an amphibious assault ship. It surprises me that the Indian Government agreed. As mysterious has said, this will effectively limit the ship to training and relief type operations.
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Just read kam's post and of course he is right. If necessary she will be used as required. An appropriate apology would be made and the US, after some jumping up and down, would most likely end up accepting the apology.
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I seriously doubt the validity of the article that a "restrictive clause" of the nature mentioned was signed. A FMS (foreign military sales) contact is pretty much "boilerplate language" and includes EUM (end use monitoring) as standard items required by the US Government. Especially in the transfer of a used ship.
The actual verbage used is "purchasers must agree to use articles, training, and services only for their furnished purpose".
The main concern of the US Govermment is that the purchaser not use the articles, training, and services for non-military action, e.g. against civilians.
See the instruction: http://www.dsca.mil/samm/Chapter 08 - End-Use Monitoring (EUM).pdf
National defense is a legitimate end use purpose.
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the indian navy had acquired the trenton for disaster relief ,as a command and control platform during natural disasters,and training roles ,they never intended it for amphibious assault roles(lpd),however they intended to study its use in their naval structure.
indian shipyard grse was studying the french mistral to find out about the mistral's suitability for the indian navy and wether they would be able to licence produce these vessels for the indian navy.
indian shipyard grse was studying the french mistral to find out about the mistral's suitability for the indian navy and wether they would be able to licence produce these vessels for the indian navy.
hey guys,it seems that boeing is slated to win the tender for the supply of maritime patrol aircrafts to the indian navy.
here is the link and the article:
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Boeing-set-to-bag-order-for-8-patrol-aircraft/285460/
Major global defence aircraft supplier, US-based Boeing may be poised to bag the Indian order for eight maritime patrol planes.
Industry officials expressed confidence that the Boeing P-8i Poseidons long-range maritime reconnaissance (LRMR) patrol aircraft would be selected over their rivals, in what could signal a further strengthening of India’s defence engagement with America.
A high-level delegation from the company is coming to India in the end of March, and is likely to sign the $2 billion, eight-aircraft agreement with the Indian Navy. The ‘commercial price negotiations’ between the ministry of defence (MoD) and Boeing officials, for the direct ‘foreign military sale’ contract under a government-to-government arrangement, concluded recently.
The P-8i, based on the Boeing-737 commercial airliner, was competing with the European Aeronautic Defence and Space (EADS)’s A-319 maritime patrol aircraft and other contenders in meeting ‘qualitative requirements’ in the technical trials held by the Navy. The P-8i, a customised version for the Indian Navy, is based on the hugely successful Boeing-737 commercial airliner. The navy had, in November 2006, expressed an interest in the aircraft as a replacement for its existing fleet of Il-38 aircraft. The navy has also sought details from Lockheed Martin about the P3C Orion aircraft, which the Pakistan Navy currently uses. The Indian Navy plans to initially buy eight aircrafts and possibly a few more, later. “Under the contract that is expected to be inked soon, the first P-8i will be delivered within 48 months, that is, in mid-2012 and all the eight by mid-2015. These machines would replace the eight Tupolev-142Ms,” a source said.</I></B>
here is the link and the article:
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Boeing-set-to-bag-order-for-8-patrol-aircraft/285460/
Major global defence aircraft supplier, US-based Boeing may be poised to bag the Indian order for eight maritime patrol planes.
Industry officials expressed confidence that the Boeing P-8i Poseidons long-range maritime reconnaissance (LRMR) patrol aircraft would be selected over their rivals, in what could signal a further strengthening of India’s defence engagement with America.
A high-level delegation from the company is coming to India in the end of March, and is likely to sign the $2 billion, eight-aircraft agreement with the Indian Navy. The ‘commercial price negotiations’ between the ministry of defence (MoD) and Boeing officials, for the direct ‘foreign military sale’ contract under a government-to-government arrangement, concluded recently.
The P-8i, based on the Boeing-737 commercial airliner, was competing with the European Aeronautic Defence and Space (EADS)’s A-319 maritime patrol aircraft and other contenders in meeting ‘qualitative requirements’ in the technical trials held by the Navy. The P-8i, a customised version for the Indian Navy, is based on the hugely successful Boeing-737 commercial airliner. The navy had, in November 2006, expressed an interest in the aircraft as a replacement for its existing fleet of Il-38 aircraft. The navy has also sought details from Lockheed Martin about the P3C Orion aircraft, which the Pakistan Navy currently uses. The Indian Navy plans to initially buy eight aircrafts and possibly a few more, later. “Under the contract that is expected to be inked soon, the first P-8i will be delivered within 48 months, that is, in mid-2012 and all the eight by mid-2015. These machines would replace the eight Tupolev-142Ms,” a source said.</I></B>
hey guys,recently indian navy selected italian shipbuilder fincantieri for the supply of fleet tankers and oceanographic research vessels,can someone provide images and specifications of these vessels or similiar projects of fincantieri,i have tried googling but to no use,also if possible images and specifications of fincantieri designed landing platform docks and landing helicopter docks and the russo-italian s1000 submarine designs.links of italian navy websites and fincantieri websites would also be highly appreciated.
hey guys,italy seems to be benefitting a lot from indian naval expansion plans.
1) fincantieri has been selected as a consultand for the indian naval indigenous aircraft carrier project and may also be selected for the second aircraft carrier.
2) fincantieri has been selected to supply fleet tankers,(i believe indian navy will acquire atleast 3 -4 of these vessels ),currently indian navy operates 3 vessels built by germany and poland.
3) italy is also bidding to supply indian navy mine counter measure vessels with transfer of technology to goa shipyards limited for the construction of 8 vessels in india.
4) supply of oceanographic research vessel to the indian navy,the first of this class the sagar nidhi has been commissioned recently ,one more is expected to be purchased.
5) italy is one of the countries invited to bid for the 5000+ton displacement p-17a frigates of which 7 are likely to acquired.
6) fincantieri is also offering its lhd and lpd designs to the indian navy ,indian shipyard grsl is studying the french mistral design as an offer to indian navy.
7) india was interested in joining the russo-italian s-1000 submarine project which is based on the amur design,however not much is known about it.
1) fincantieri has been selected as a consultand for the indian naval indigenous aircraft carrier project and may also be selected for the second aircraft carrier.
2) fincantieri has been selected to supply fleet tankers,(i believe indian navy will acquire atleast 3 -4 of these vessels ),currently indian navy operates 3 vessels built by germany and poland.
3) italy is also bidding to supply indian navy mine counter measure vessels with transfer of technology to goa shipyards limited for the construction of 8 vessels in india.
4) supply of oceanographic research vessel to the indian navy,the first of this class the sagar nidhi has been commissioned recently ,one more is expected to be purchased.
5) italy is one of the countries invited to bid for the 5000+ton displacement p-17a frigates of which 7 are likely to acquired.
6) fincantieri is also offering its lhd and lpd designs to the indian navy ,indian shipyard grsl is studying the french mistral design as an offer to indian navy.
7) india was interested in joining the russo-italian s-1000 submarine project which is based on the amur design,however not much is known about it.
Excellent choice with Fincantieri. Italian ship designs (like Italian sport cars) are IMHO the "sexiest" in the world. Should turn some heads.
How can a ship RAS (4) ships at one time???
I can understand one to port, one to starboard, and one astern in trail, . . . but four??!
Perhaps it means alongside at anchor?
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