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lalith prasad
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the conceptual stage has been passed and the work has begun in earnest the hal has approached iaf for its specifications as the govt has sanctined the preliminary development of the project.also the russians have offfered their proposals for pakfa fifth generation fighter to the iaf and are awaiting iaf's requirements.
the conceptual stage has been passed and the work has begun in earnest the hal has approached iaf for its specifications as the govt has sanctined the preliminary development of the project.also the russians have offfered their proposals for pakfa fifth generation fighter to the iaf and are awaiting iaf's requirements.
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After LCA, Bangalore labs go full throttle on Medium Combat Aircraft
BANGALORE: After the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) what? A lighter, more agile fighter?
Scientists in the aviation capital have now gone back to the drawing boards to design and develop a Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA), a frontline multi-role fighter aircraft on the lines of the deadly Sukhois in the IAF squadrons. 8cool)
Shrouded in secrecy, the project has been conceived after the success of the indigenous LCA Tejas. ``It is not yet official. But we are planning an MCA. It is going to be a techno-economic marriage,'' says a top scientist in one of the city labs.
The bird may be unveiled soon and may fly as early as 2006. In fact, at a seminar recently, scientists briefly discussed the MCA as a war machine that will give the IAF an edge over its contemporaries.
The techno-economic fusion that scientists are talking about is about harnessing the available and developing technology with an eye on costs. ``The cost of developing the MCA apart, the production-line costs should be affordable to the user as well as the company producing it. If it is not economically viable, there is no use attempting to produce one,'' is their argument.
Already, three prototypes of the LCA have been flown. While the Test Demonstrators I and II have flown successfully, a prototype also took to the air recently. While another prototype PV II is ready to fly, defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is getting ready to make six limited series production of six Tejas fighters. A naval variant of the LCA is already on the cards.
The MCA is likely to be a multi-role fighter about the size of the Su-30 MKIs that the IAF is inducting from Russia. The Sukhois are being used for air superiority, air defence, close air support, bombing and strafing missions.
Despite its girth, the Sukhois are awesome and it is the only plane which can take a yaw turn (a turn without dipping its wings), like a helicopter.
With labs here developing advanced technologies in engine, computational fluid dynamics and composite materials, scientists felt it was the right time to go in for an MCA that can eventually replace the frontline fighters. ``The dependance on Western nations can come down and valuable foreign exchange too can be saved,'' sources said.
The Kaveri engine (Mark II) being tested on the GTRE test bed for the LCA will power the MCA. The future aircraft will also have a glass cockpit with electronic displays.
The MCA like its predecessor LCA, will be the baby of Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and will have the backing of some 45-odd DRDO labs in the country.
For cynics, scientists have a message that if the Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) can be designed from scratch to first flight in 20 months by HAL, the MCA will soon be a reality.
http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItem...ge=K&Title=Southern+News+-+Karnataka&Topic=0&
After LCA, Bangalore labs go full throttle on Medium Combat Aircraft
BANGALORE: After the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) what? A lighter, more agile fighter?
Scientists in the aviation capital have now gone back to the drawing boards to design and develop a Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA), a frontline multi-role fighter aircraft on the lines of the deadly Sukhois in the IAF squadrons. 8cool)
Shrouded in secrecy, the project has been conceived after the success of the indigenous LCA Tejas. ``It is not yet official. But we are planning an MCA. It is going to be a techno-economic marriage,'' says a top scientist in one of the city labs.
The bird may be unveiled soon and may fly as early as 2006. In fact, at a seminar recently, scientists briefly discussed the MCA as a war machine that will give the IAF an edge over its contemporaries.
The techno-economic fusion that scientists are talking about is about harnessing the available and developing technology with an eye on costs. ``The cost of developing the MCA apart, the production-line costs should be affordable to the user as well as the company producing it. If it is not economically viable, there is no use attempting to produce one,'' is their argument.
Already, three prototypes of the LCA have been flown. While the Test Demonstrators I and II have flown successfully, a prototype also took to the air recently. While another prototype PV II is ready to fly, defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is getting ready to make six limited series production of six Tejas fighters. A naval variant of the LCA is already on the cards.
The MCA is likely to be a multi-role fighter about the size of the Su-30 MKIs that the IAF is inducting from Russia. The Sukhois are being used for air superiority, air defence, close air support, bombing and strafing missions.
Despite its girth, the Sukhois are awesome and it is the only plane which can take a yaw turn (a turn without dipping its wings), like a helicopter.
With labs here developing advanced technologies in engine, computational fluid dynamics and composite materials, scientists felt it was the right time to go in for an MCA that can eventually replace the frontline fighters. ``The dependance on Western nations can come down and valuable foreign exchange too can be saved,'' sources said.
The Kaveri engine (Mark II) being tested on the GTRE test bed for the LCA will power the MCA. The future aircraft will also have a glass cockpit with electronic displays.
The MCA like its predecessor LCA, will be the baby of Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and will have the backing of some 45-odd DRDO labs in the country.
For cynics, scientists have a message that if the Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) can be designed from scratch to first flight in 20 months by HAL, the MCA will soon be a reality.
http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItem...ge=K&Title=Southern+News+-+Karnataka&Topic=0&
RealIndian
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DRDO to develop new fighter aircraft
By: PTI
June 5, 2004
The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has initiated talks with the Indian Air Force to design and develop a Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA), a fifth generation fighter plane.
"We have started drawing (designing) the next generation Light Combat Aircraft, which we call as Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA). We are in a dialogue with the users (IAF) to find out their design specifications," Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister and DRDO Director General V K Aatre told reporters in Bangalore on Friday.
"Sooner or later, perhaps, in a decade or so, we should build our own twin engine aircraft," he said.The single-engine Light Combat Aircraft, called Tejas, is a delta-winged, tailless, fly-by-wire, supersonic fourth generation fighter under development by the Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA).
The fifth generation fighter will be powered by two indigenous thrust vector Kaveri engines and is likely to have stealth capability. The Kaveri engines, developed for the LCA, are under developmental trials.
As of now, the prototypes of the LCA, which are undergoing test flights, are powered by American GE 404 engines.
http://ww1.mid-day.com/news/nation/2004/june/84960.htm
By: PTI
June 5, 2004
The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has initiated talks with the Indian Air Force to design and develop a Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA), a fifth generation fighter plane.
"We have started drawing (designing) the next generation Light Combat Aircraft, which we call as Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA). We are in a dialogue with the users (IAF) to find out their design specifications," Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister and DRDO Director General V K Aatre told reporters in Bangalore on Friday.
"Sooner or later, perhaps, in a decade or so, we should build our own twin engine aircraft," he said.The single-engine Light Combat Aircraft, called Tejas, is a delta-winged, tailless, fly-by-wire, supersonic fourth generation fighter under development by the Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA).
The fifth generation fighter will be powered by two indigenous thrust vector Kaveri engines and is likely to have stealth capability. The Kaveri engines, developed for the LCA, are under developmental trials.
As of now, the prototypes of the LCA, which are undergoing test flights, are powered by American GE 404 engines.
http://ww1.mid-day.com/news/nation/2004/june/84960.htm
RealIndian
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ADA unveils plans for stealth aircraft DH News Service
BANGALORE,
Following its success with the design and development of indigenously built Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) is seriously considering the development of even more mean-machine the Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA).
MCA, which will be a natural progression to LCA and whose prime design driver would be stealth, will be the fifth-generation deep penetration strike aircraft, boasting several more advanced features from the LCA, ADA Project Director (LCA), Dr Kota Harinarayana said today.
According to Mr Harinarayana, the ADA is currently holding discussions with the Indian Air Force (IAF) on the basic requirement contours that should go into designing and developing the MCA.
Presenting his paper on the Successor to the LCA at the SIATI seminar on "Future Aircraft and Systems" he said the development of MCA as the successor to the fourth-generation multi-role LCA, was expected to take around 15 to 20 years span. Observing that the country was open for joint co-production of the aircraft that is being designed to replace the present squardon of Jaguar and Mirage 2000 aircraft of IAF, Mr Harinarayana said the MCA would use technology and expertise that has been gained from developing the LCA by ADA.
The single seat twin-engine MCA, would be powered by indigenous Kaveri engine and use smart structures and antenna, integrated modular avionics, tail-less technology and an active lomar flow control, designed for long range offensive operations, he pointed out. Apart from having a weapon carrying capacity of 1000 kg laser guided missiles, medium range missiles, close combat missile, the MCA would have a serpentine fuel tank, to carry additional fuel in its body, he disclosed.
The MCA’s advanced integrated avionics would be based on shared processing architecture and reduce number of computers to two or three, while LCA has nearly 28 computers on board. The development of the fifth generation aircraft has become imperative in the wake of US developing the F22 and JSF besides British Aerospace, the French and other defence aircraft majors in Europe also engaged in similar missions. We will not repeat the mistake what we did after HF-24 and we will not lag behind in technology, he averred.
BANGALORE,
Following its success with the design and development of indigenously built Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) is seriously considering the development of even more mean-machine the Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA).
MCA, which will be a natural progression to LCA and whose prime design driver would be stealth, will be the fifth-generation deep penetration strike aircraft, boasting several more advanced features from the LCA, ADA Project Director (LCA), Dr Kota Harinarayana said today.
According to Mr Harinarayana, the ADA is currently holding discussions with the Indian Air Force (IAF) on the basic requirement contours that should go into designing and developing the MCA.
Presenting his paper on the Successor to the LCA at the SIATI seminar on "Future Aircraft and Systems" he said the development of MCA as the successor to the fourth-generation multi-role LCA, was expected to take around 15 to 20 years span. Observing that the country was open for joint co-production of the aircraft that is being designed to replace the present squardon of Jaguar and Mirage 2000 aircraft of IAF, Mr Harinarayana said the MCA would use technology and expertise that has been gained from developing the LCA by ADA.
The single seat twin-engine MCA, would be powered by indigenous Kaveri engine and use smart structures and antenna, integrated modular avionics, tail-less technology and an active lomar flow control, designed for long range offensive operations, he pointed out. Apart from having a weapon carrying capacity of 1000 kg laser guided missiles, medium range missiles, close combat missile, the MCA would have a serpentine fuel tank, to carry additional fuel in its body, he disclosed.
The MCA’s advanced integrated avionics would be based on shared processing architecture and reduce number of computers to two or three, while LCA has nearly 28 computers on board. The development of the fifth generation aircraft has become imperative in the wake of US developing the F22 and JSF besides British Aerospace, the French and other defence aircraft majors in Europe also engaged in similar missions. We will not repeat the mistake what we did after HF-24 and we will not lag behind in technology, he averred.
RealIndian
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Kaveri-II for MCA
The new variant, which India says will be at the technology level of the M88, will have a fan pressure ratio of 4:1 and an overall pressure ratio of 27:1. A new combustor will be shorter and lighter than the present unit. The increased, unspecified, dry thrust should allow the aircraft to super cruise (cruise supersonically without the use of reheat). Also under development is a thrust-vectoring nozzle, to enhance its agility, as well as a digital engine control system. The axisymmetric TV nozzle is planned to be flight tested on a later prototype. The nozzle could possibly permit the elimination of the vertical stabiliser and decrease the radar cross section. Plans are already under way for derivatives of the Kaveri; a non-afterburning version for an advanced jet trainer, a high bypass-ratio turbo fan based on the Kaveri core, as well as variants for other applications.
The new variant, which India says will be at the technology level of the M88, will have a fan pressure ratio of 4:1 and an overall pressure ratio of 27:1. A new combustor will be shorter and lighter than the present unit. The increased, unspecified, dry thrust should allow the aircraft to super cruise (cruise supersonically without the use of reheat). Also under development is a thrust-vectoring nozzle, to enhance its agility, as well as a digital engine control system. The axisymmetric TV nozzle is planned to be flight tested on a later prototype. The nozzle could possibly permit the elimination of the vertical stabiliser and decrease the radar cross section. Plans are already under way for derivatives of the Kaveri; a non-afterburning version for an advanced jet trainer, a high bypass-ratio turbo fan based on the Kaveri core, as well as variants for other applications.
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Re: Indian MCA Discussion
Second Picture: This is FB-22 with F-22.
First picture: It is a rough sketch provided by ADA in response to a query way back in 90s about a 'possible' configuration for a future combat aircraft. At that point they were 'thinking' about the MCA. The design is much better developed now and looks more mature.Pathfinder-X said:Since there were much discussion of the MCA on the PAK FA thread, I decided to open a new thread on MCA so we won't go off topic more and more on that one.
The Medium Combat Aircraft [MCA] is projected as the replacement for the Jaguar and Mirage 2000 fleets in the IAF. It was originally under design at the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) in Bangalore, now it has been transfered to Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). The MCA will cost $2 billion to develop and will be a tailless delta design with two engines, combined with a thrust vectoring control capability. It is hoped that the engines on the aircraft will develop a thrust-to-weight ratio of 7.8:1. Although it is unclear which company will be selected to supply the engines; SNECMA, Klimov and General Electric have been identified as potential suppliers.
Initial Concept Drawing
"We have started drawing (designing) the next generation Light Combat Aircraft, which we call as Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA). We are in a dialogue with the users (IAF) to find out their design specifications," Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister and DRDO Director General V K Aatre told reporters in Bangalore on Friday.
"Sooner or later, perhaps, in a decade or so, we should build our own twin engine aircraft," he said.
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Second Picture: This is FB-22 with F-22.
Deltared075
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It don't sound realistic if you want to develope a 5th generation stealth fighter with only $2 billions. even the most advance countries in stealth and engine technology like US need more than $10 Billions to develope the F22 and F35 each.
India with weak technology basic (compare to western countries) will be impossible to develope a stealth fighter with supercruise ability just with little fund of $2 billions.
Some said the MCA will fly on 2006? that a little too fast, where India obtain the stealth technology? how about the engine with supercruise ability? from the Russian? unlikely, they want India to joint the PAK-FA project, so they won't give such technology to India to complete with their new fighter.
Originally posted by Pathfinder-X:
It is hoped that the engines on the aircraft will develop a thrust-to-weight ratio of 7.8:1
It don't sound realistic if you want to develope a 5th generation stealth fighter with only $2 billions. even the most advance countries in stealth and engine technology like US need more than $10 Billions to develope the F22 and F35 each.
India with weak technology basic (compare to western countries) will be impossible to develope a stealth fighter with supercruise ability just with little fund of $2 billions.
Some said the MCA will fly on 2006? that a little too fast, where India obtain the stealth technology? how about the engine with supercruise ability? from the Russian? unlikely, they want India to joint the PAK-FA project, so they won't give such technology to India to complete with their new fighter.
Originally posted by Pathfinder-X:
It is hoped that the engines on the aircraft will develop a thrust-to-weight ratio of 7.8:1
[email protected] .. mee too buddy, i'll post it as soon as you send me.. 
the pics r sent
please tell me at least one of u guys know how to posts those MCA pics here
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please tell me at least one of u guys know how to posts those MCA pics here
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http://forum.airforces.info/showthread.php?t=19144&page=5
with great difficulty found the MCA pics on a site.
with great difficulty found the MCA pics on a site.
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