dabrownguy
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Guys I heard India began construction on the P-15A dystroyers. Force magazine said it would have VL Brahmos. If this is true than it would have quite capable stealth. Any body have another source on this?
India, Russia & Advanced Nuclear Subs
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Stealth has nothing to do with weapons fitment, its about low observability across a visual and electronic spectrum.dabrownguy said:
dabrownguy
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So VL weapons don't help with stealth?
No. Not unless it was a fairly crappy hull design in the first place.dabrownguy said:
One would assume that the VLS caps were below the "gunnels". If not, and they are proud of the gunnels then yes they would create another reflection point.A detection system is going to pick up a vessel on other appendages way before a VLS cap triggers something.
Stealth in vessels usually embraces smooth hull designs, flowing and conformal superstructures, minimised areas where masts and comms equipment is blended into a housing, masked exhaust stacks etc...
Unless someone is a drunken fisherman and can't tell the difference between a warship with VLS and a cargo ship with a flush deck, then there isn't much "stealth" benefit just in a VLS pack. (see gunnels comment again)
dabrownguy
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Great than Kashin class dystroyers are still good.
lalith prasad
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actuall the p15a bangalore have stealth incorporated in their design like the chinese type 54c .
dabrownguy
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The 8 VLS cruise missiles on the ATV. They can be used for antiship role or land attack instead of nuceluer attack. Right?
It all depends on what the missile load out is.dabrownguy said:
lalith prasad
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how does the french rubis and and the other french nuke subs compare with us ,russian,british and chinese subs.french nuke subs are very small does it provide them with any kind of stealth advantage. :?:
dabrownguy
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It says that the ATV would have 8 VLS on the conning tower. Is that different from the ones for the other 8?
"as for the Shkval, unless they've made some significant changes to range and guidance - then it's a fast underwater bullet that can't turn corners without bleeding such significant energy that it becomes useless. On top of that, the laaunching sub might as well hold up it's hands as it telegraphs the immediate launch point to anyone who is listening."
It's supposed to be supersonic isn't it? (speed of sound is slower under water). So theoretically, if you're a sub, and a shkval's headed toward you, you won't hear it coming?
It's supposed to be supersonic isn't it? (speed of sound is slower under water). So theoretically, if you're a sub, and a shkval's headed toward you, you won't hear it coming?
As for indian financing of Severodvinsk: I seriously doubt that Russia would allow a foreign country that much influence over its new top-of-the-line sub. Granted, Russia is rather short on money, however IMO at least the top priority projects are excluded from foreign influence due to concerns of national security and the new SSN surely belong to them.[/quote]
Turin were not talking about a normal sate here!! Russia is or was bankrupt afew years ago. its Military production machines was stalled in a matter of speaking. they have no money to spend on there national defense article production.
Isn't it better to have something being developed and produced rather then Have nothing. the longer they wait for there Economic recovery the more chances are they would loose the capability to manufacture the key items that they are good at. India is there "big ticket", its fairly loyal and all it asks in return is cheaper rated equipments and R&D involvement.
i think people are completely guessing here, as nobody knows the actual position. so let me comment on this as i have more practical expriense
first ATV IS NOT based On charlie class.it is based on Severodvinsk class.
russians are helping indian in building this sub in India. now confusion is that russians have not yet completed this sub themself. so how can they help india. this questions do not arise between india and russia. russians provide india with systems that they do not have themself. anybody in indian defense forces will know about it.by the way russians too are making this kind of sub simultaneously in their yard.
India is not financing Severodvinsk class submarine that is built in russia. it is their own project.
india is financing building of two akula class II submarine which are 80% and 50% complete but russians do not have money to complete it. so India is financing the building of those two submaraines.
regarding these nuclear submarines joining india.you will not know about it. usually every body will keep quite. like during leasing of charlie class submarine. it took two years before people knoew about it. that too only when US govt flashed the news. as one of their survellance planes took the picture accidently.
Turin were not talking about a normal sate here!! Russia is or was bankrupt afew years ago. its Military production machines was stalled in a matter of speaking. they have no money to spend on there national defense article production.
Isn't it better to have something being developed and produced rather then Have nothing. the longer they wait for there Economic recovery the more chances are they would loose the capability to manufacture the key items that they are good at. India is there "big ticket", its fairly loyal and all it asks in return is cheaper rated equipments and R&D involvement.
i think people are completely guessing here, as nobody knows the actual position. so let me comment on this as i have more practical expriense
first ATV IS NOT based On charlie class.it is based on Severodvinsk class.
russians are helping indian in building this sub in India. now confusion is that russians have not yet completed this sub themself. so how can they help india. this questions do not arise between india and russia. russians provide india with systems that they do not have themself. anybody in indian defense forces will know about it.by the way russians too are making this kind of sub simultaneously in their yard.
India is not financing Severodvinsk class submarine that is built in russia. it is their own project.
india is financing building of two akula class II submarine which are 80% and 50% complete but russians do not have money to complete it. so India is financing the building of those two submaraines.
regarding these nuclear submarines joining india.you will not know about it. usually every body will keep quite. like during leasing of charlie class submarine. it took two years before people knoew about it. that too only when US govt flashed the news. as one of their survellance planes took the picture accidently.
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