hopefull recruit

[kittikhun]

The first thing you really need to come to terms with and just accept is that it is not about what you think or feel about the condition of your body. I understand what you are saying and I have been there.

The ADF needs to come to terms with the state of your body in the context of their specific needs.

So from that point of view you cannot be in a position to dictate to them that 'you are fine'. They dont deal in anecdotal evidence. They will take a balanced view based on the best available professional opinion in the context of their (military) operational needs.

As for your procedural questions. I assume they have sent you a letter stating your application cannot proceed until you provide certain supporting medical tests/written evidence?

This is standard and in no way means you have been rejected. They just want a closer look. Simply follow the instructions outlined in the letter you received. Give them everything they ask for. You dont need to provide anything further. However you may wish to add your own words by way of an introductory letter.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[qldboy]

qldboy,

Don't listen to that recruiter....he's blowing sunshine up your a$$. Go to a different recruiting station. I've been in the Infantry almost 15 years..........it's a young man's job, but have some balls. Light or Stryker Infantry is a good route if your're into the SF thing. SF recruiters are always looking for folks to go SF around our area. That recruiter is trying to turn a higher prospect..You are a prospect........I was a recruiter once, but not by choice....did not last long there and went back the line. You probably have a high ASVAB score and he would get more "Atta boys" and a 4 day week-end if he gets you into a tech job. The Infantry is always open, if all you're looking for is to be a "Rifleman". Spend some time in thought over it. They say you can go to college and all, but in the Infantry, they'll tell you "mission first", so if you miss more than 3 classes due to a field exercise, you get stuck with the bill and no credit for it. Being a grunt has it's perks, being hard core and all that, but think about long term...............where do you want to be in 10 years.........still humping a ruck sack in the mountains with bad knees or doing high tech stuff and moving further forward in your life. Grunts are not dumb or stupid. You have to think on your feet, keep up with technology changes in weapons and electronic stuff with regard to "instruments" used in our job. If you fail or step on your "crank" people get hurt or die. Think over it, but find a better recruiter. It's your life...not the recruiters'

Regards,

Dave

Iv had a long time to think about it. And i did end up applying for medical technician on my own terms. My goals are all still the same, im just not going to be infantry to start. YOU session is in less than a week. I feel very ready for it.

 

[kittikhun]

Iv had a long time to think about it. And i did end up applying for medical technician on my own terms. My goals are all still the same, im just not going to be infantry to start. YOU session is in less than a week. I feel very ready for it.

I have talked to a geography teacher who used to be in the infantry in 6RAR and is now a combat engineer in the 21st Construction Regiment at Holsworthy. He says that being a rifleman is not really a good choice (I wanted to be a rifleman) as you don't really learn as much as in another job. He recommended me to become a combat engineer and to get some skills whilst also doing some rifleman stuff. He also stated that everyone in the ARA is practially a rifleman and that you will do some rifleman stuff no matter what job you choose though not as much as the mere riflemen. In the end though it is your choice but frankly, as a layman, I believe that if you join the engineering Corps as plumber, carpenter (people in these trades are trained as combat engineers as well) or whatever you'll just have the same chance as getting into SF as a rifleman. You don't have to be in the infantry to try out for SF, you know.

 

[qldboy]

I have talked to a geography teacher who used to be in the infantry in 6RAR and is now a combat engineer in the 21st Construction Regiment at Holsworthy. He says that being a rifleman is not really a good choice (I wanted to be a rifleman) as you don't really learn as much as in another job. He recommended me to become a combat engineer and to get some skills whilst also doing some rifleman stuff. He also stated that everyone in the ARA is practially a rifleman and that you will do some rifleman stuff no matter what job you choose though not as much as the mere riflemen. In the end though it is your choice but frankly, as a layman, I believe that if you join the engineering Corps as plumber, carpenter (people in these trades are trained as combat engineers as well) or whatever you'll just have the same chance as getting into SF as a rifleman. You don't have to be in the infantry to try out for SF, you know.

I understand that you dont have to be infantry to get into SF. What i was saying was, as a rifleman, the training you receive might better prepare you for SF. Though as a Medical Operator/Technician, i think i would gain some very handy experience in emergency first aid and what not. Also, if i manage to get in as a Med Tech, id gain qualifications that i can use later in life.

There wouldn't be any Medical Technicians on this forum by any chance, would there?

 

[kittikhun]

I understand that you dont have to be infantry to get into SF. What i was saying was, as a rifleman, the training you receive might better prepare you for SF. Though as a Medical Operator/Technician, i think i would gain some very handy experience in emergency first aid and what not. Also, if i manage to get in as a Med Tech, id gain qualifications that i can use later in life.

There wouldn't be any Medical Technicians on this forum by any chance, would there?

Hey mate, I found this thread however I haven't read it yet since I don't like reading stuff that has poor grammar and spelling; I'm snobbish in regards to language. It has stuff on medical operators. I hope it helps you.

The Australian Military Community • View topic - Medical Technicial/Operator.

How did the YOU session go?

 

[qldboy]

Hey mate, I found this thread however I haven't read it yet since I don't like reading stuff that has poor grammar and spelling; I'm snobbish in regards to language. It has stuff on medical operators. I hope it helps you.
sid=d5886d06e9988ea2d98ed5f602c5096c]The Australian Military Community • View topic - Medical Technicial/Operator.[/url]

How did the YOU session go?

You session went brilliantly. Plenty of sitting around. But i believe i made a good impression and showed that i have what it takes. Sadly, there are no med tech positions to fill. But, the career councilor and i spent the whole session talking about what it takes to be an officer (Which was something id considered doing later in my career, but had assumed needed more life experience). So that's the path I'm now on.

 

[kittikhun]

You session went brilliantly. Plenty of sitting around. But i believe i made a good impression and showed that i have what it takes. Sadly, there are no med tech positions to fill. But, the career councilor and i spent the whole session talking about what it takes to be an officer (Which was something id considered doing later in my career, but had assumed needed more life experience). So that's the path I'm now on.

It's a shame that the med. operator position is full. Bloody financial crisis. I'm scared that the position of a combat engineer that I am going for is going to be filled as well thus forcing me to wait and be unemployed during my tertiary studies.

So are you going in as an officer now in the army? If so, it's going to be tough to try to merit the right to become the coveted infantry officer; you might get stuck in logistics if your experience there were to suck. As well, many guys get who are 19 or 20 get told that they need more life experience before going to Duntroon; I believe the average age at RMC is around 23 or 24. Then again, we'll see, we'll see. All the best, mate whatever you do.

 

[qldboy]

It's a shame that the med. operator position is full. Bloody financial crisis. I'm scared that the position of a combat engineer that I am going for is going to be filled as well thus forcing me to wait and be unemployed during my tertiary studies.

So are you going in as an officer now in the army? If so, it's going to be tough to try to merit the right to become the coveted infantry officer; you might get stuck in logistics if your experience there were to suck. As well, many guys get who are 19 or 20 get told that they need more life experience before going to Duntroon; I believe the average age at RMC is around 23 or 24. Then again, we'll see, we'll see. All the best, mate whatever you do.

I'll have to be pretty impressive to get in, but I love the challenge. Life experience is what first put me off the idea, but i guess ill just make sure they know I've done a lot with my life so far.

When will you find out if its full or not? I'm starting to think the jobs listed as available on the site are a pretty bad indication of whether or not there are actually jobs available. Rifleman has been on and off a few times lately and the career councilor mentioned there not being any positions (i wasn't concerned about that though). And the site still says Medical Operator/Technician is open at the moment and I was told otherwise. I suppose they might just say that to fill priority jobs.

 

[kittikhun]

I'll have to be pretty impressive to get in, but I love the challenge. Life experience is what first put me off the idea, but i guess ill just make sure they know I've done a lot with my life so far.

When will you find out if its full or not? I'm starting to think the jobs listed as available on the site are a pretty bad indication of whether or not there are actually jobs available. Rifleman has been on and off a few times lately and the career councilor mentioned there not being any positions (i wasn't concerned about that though). And the site still says Medical Operator/Technician is open at the moment and I was told otherwise. I suppose they might just say that to fill priority jobs.

No idea but the careers counsellor told me that the position was open and the site agreed with this as well, This is rather funny in regards to you to be frank. Did you get all the jobs from your results in the aptitude test? If so, I don't udnerstand why med. operator is not open for you. Maybe you scored too high on the apt. test and they're forcing you to be an officer but my CC didn't force me to become one even though I merited the right by my apt. test score to try to enter any job I want. It's very weird indeed.

Anyway, please tell me how assessment day goes since I want to be prepared for it.

Cheers.

 

[qldboy]

No idea but the careers counsellor told me that the position was open and the site agreed with this as well, This is rather funny in regards to you to be frank. Did you get all the jobs from your results in the aptitude test? If so, I don't udnerstand why med. operator is not open for you. Maybe you scored too high on the apt. test and they're forcing you to be an officer but my CC didn't force me to become one even though I merited the right by my apt. test score to try to enter any job I want. It's very weird indeed.

Anyway, please tell me how assessment day goes since I want to be prepared for it.

Cheers.

well, the list of jobs i was able to choose from actually had it on there. but he just said that no positions are open for it. Basically in those words exactly. The list of jobs i could choose from only had a few blank spots, so i didn't do poorly on the test. I scored well enough to have officer on the sheet but i doubt that's why he told me it was full. I would rather be an officer than Med. Op. I had just assumed i wouldn't be qualified.

Ill definitely let you know how it goes. But the career councilor said i should expect it to be 6 weeks away at the least. And I'm waiting for a letter to let me know when.

 

[naomas]

Help with class4 appeal

Hi guys,

Ima newbie first post sorry if its in the wrong thread so go easy on me

Im 38yo male who like many out there are pursuing a dream job in the ADF, however i recently received that dreaded letter of rejection from DFR advising me that i been made class4 medically unfit for service.

This was due to a medical condition i disclosed in the MHQ (Diverticulitis) which i was hospitalised for 2 days, Diverticulitis in short is a bow infection (main cause Low Fibre Intake) this was a single isolated incident due to a low fibre weight loss diet (No Carbs) i was on at the time in an attempt to lose body fat.

A harsh lesson learnt i know!!

this was very bizarre for me because up until that time i have always enjoyed playing sports and going to the gym was imperative, and a lifesyle one that i continue to do at present.


fast forward almost 12 months and i can honestly say that there has been no ongoing health issues or any diverticulitis symptoms that could hinder or affect my physical ability. Previously i have seen my GP who referred me to two Surgeon Specialists where i had undergone a CT Colonography and Xrays where new medical evidence is provided stating there are no CT features to suggest peridiverticulitis.

I was wandering if anyone out there has had the same or similar diagnosis where they to were made class4 and had the decision reversed to class1?

Does anyone think im in with a chance or any advice in how to strengthen my case would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance

 

[gf0012-aust]

one of the uniforms might chime in - but I would consider the following

did the letter give you a right of response?
did the letter advise that you can re-apply at a later date?

I would consider contacting the recruitment officer/office again and stating your case - but to have a chance you need the specialists letters - and more than that they need to reference whether they consider that its in remission enough, or has disappeared to a level where they believe that it has no medical impact on your health, well being and overalll fitness to be tested again etc....

the above is guesswork on my part, so wait out until one of the ex/curr uniforms chimes in

 

[naomas]

Hey mate,

Cheers for the reply champ!


Yes the letter states "If you have been made class4 and do not agree with the decision you have the right of appeal."

I will need to provide my reasons in writing as to why i consider the decision to be incorrect and provide supporting documentation with regards to my medical condition/fitness from medical specialists.

My GP and the Surgeons i was referred to strongly believe based on new medical information (CT Colonography and Xrays) that there is no ongoing health issues or any diverticulitis symptoms, that could impact or affect my physical ability to carry out military or any exercises.

I now have to wait till early next month for the Surgeon to come back from leave for him to start the process and write me up a letter that will basically strengthen my appeal to the Chief Medical Officer.

This has already been quite a costly experience i might add, but it's nothing compared to my deep passion in pursuing a career in the ADF.

DFR are aware that i am appealing the class4 decision, and offered some helpful advice and informed me that there has been cases in the past where candidates have appealed their class4 decisions and had it over turned to class1.

Sounds easier said than done i know, but i guess there's always HOPE yeah!!!

It's definitely a long road ahead but i intend to see it through, i want this so bad!!!


If anyone out there has experienced the same or a similar situation and gone from class4 to class1, if you don't mind sharing on how you went about doing this i would be more than thankful.

Thanks in advance..

 

[gf0012-aust]

if DFR reject on review you still have the option of appealing through the Administratice Appeals Tribunal as a last resort