February lastest New Process of JF-17

[hawa-ka-sipahi]

thunder

wow! thats really awesome!!
looking like a fifth generation cockpit!!!!!!!!
congrats to PAF, i didnt imagine such a beauty in Thunder's cockpit!
but how will u compare this with F-16C & F-16I block 50/52 cockpit myskykk?
and what about the SD-10 any test firing of it on JF-17 or still pending?

 

[aaaditya]

Compare LCA with FC-1 , we'll found LCA use 6 LCD while FC-1 use 3.
since we call this instrument as large screen multifunctional LCD, use many LCD means one LCD can only integrate limited functions.The size of LCD in FC-1 are much bigger than LCA's , so I think FC-1's cockpit is advanced than LCA, do you agree with me ?

the second image that you posted is of jf17 thunder i presume,but if the first image is of lca,then honestly you must be suffering from double vision because all we can see are three displays (left ,right centre and the hud),the rest are the subsystems of the avionics system of the aircraft.

there is no space in lca for 6 displays(it is a single engined aircraft),su30mki has 4-5 displays (3 for pilot and 2 for wso),no aircraft in the light category has 6 displays,three displays are quite common,some upgraded aircrafts have a single display also with the rest being supplemented by the conventional dials,the number of diplays has no role in how advanced an aircraft is.

i dont know about other aircrafts but the lca has dvi(digital voice input) like the ef2000 .

some of the avionics(developed by india )for the of the lca were used on the su30mki,malaysia'n su30mkm uses some avionics components developed by the hal for the su30mki from the lca under project vetrivale,so do the vietnamese su30's ,algerians have also expressed interest in the su30mki configuration and hal is expected to recieve subcontract orders for russia for this purpose.

the hud used initially for the lca was the israeli elbit hud but this was replaced by the indigenously designed csio hud which was found to be comparable in performance and capability to the israeli system,also india and israel are currently developing jointly an entire array of sensor and self defence systems for the lca.

the displays of the lca and the su30mki are currently being made by a private company known as samtel.

 

[aaaditya]

Compare LCA with FC-1 , we'll found LCA use 6 LCD while FC-1 use 3.
since we call this instrument as large screen multifunctional LCD, use many LCD means one LCD can only integrate limited functions.The size of LCD in FC-1 are much bigger than LCA's , so I think FC-1's cockpit is advanced than LCA, do you agree with me ?

for information on lca's avionics check out www.airforce-technology.com you can also get information of other modern combat aircrafts like ef2000,rafale,jsf,raptor etc for comparison purposes.

iam posting a paragraph about lca's avionics from that website(lca cockpit image available on the site):


The aircraft is fitted with a night vision compatible glass cockpit with Martin Baker (UK) zero-zero ejection seats.
The cockpit has two 76mm x 76mm colour liquid crystal multi-function displays developed by Bharat Electronics, a head up display developed by the Indian government-owned Central Scientific Instruments Organisation (CSIO) in Chandigarh, a liquid crystal return-to-home-base panel and keyboard. The pilot also has a helmet-mounted display.
The aircraft has a quadruplex fly-by-wire digital automatic flight control. The navigation suite includes a ring laser gyroscope inertial navigation system and an integrated global positioning system and inertial navigation
The communications suite includes VHF to UHF radio communications with built-in counter-countermeasures, air-to-air and air-to-ground data links and a HAL information friend-or-foe interrogator.
The cockpit is fitted with an environmental control system developed by Spectrum Infotech of Bangalore. The avionics suite has an integrated utilities' health monitoring system.


the reson why iam posting this is to state that lca is in no way inerior to the jf17 thunder.an aircraft cannot be considered as advanced just because it has fewer displays,but by the type of avionics,materials used in construction,powerplant,weapons compatibility,software ,sensors etc.

it is a factor of many things.

by the way does anyone know what fbw system does the jf17 thunder have ?

 

[myskykk]

wow! thats really awesome!!
looking like a fifth generation cockpit!!!!!!!!
congrats to PAF, i didnt imagine such a beauty in Thunder's cockpit!
but how will u compare this with F-16C & F-16I block 50/52 cockpit myskykk?
and what about the SD-10 any test firing of it on JF-17 or still pending?

The cockpit of JF-17 is the best of the third generation !(F-16I/S/block 60 ,EF-2000, is 3.5th generation)
I can't image J-10A/B cockpit when I sew the view of JF-17.
Much evidence approved all of testing with SD-10 and PL-12 was finished
from chinese offcial web .

 

[myskykk]

the second image that you posted is of jf17 thunder i presume,but if the first image is of lca,then honestly you must be suffering from double vision because all we can see are three displays (left ,right centre and the hud),the rest are the subsystems of the avionics system of the aircraft.

there is no space in lca for 6 displays(it is a single engined aircraft),su30mki has 4-5 displays (3 for pilot and 2 for wso),no aircraft in the light category has 6 displays,three displays are quite common,some upgraded aircrafts have a single display also with the rest being supplemented by the conventional dials,the number of diplays has no role in how advanced an aircraft is.

i dont know about other aircrafts but the lca has dvi(digital voice input) like the ef2000 .

some of the avionics(developed by india )for the of the lca were used on the su30mki,malaysia'n su30mkm uses some avionics components developed by the hal for the su30mki from the lca under project vetrivale,so do the vietnamese su30's ,algerians have also expressed interest in the su30mki configuration and hal is expected to recieve subcontract orders for russia for this purpose.
I
the hud used initially for the lca was the israeli elbit hud but this was replaced by the indigenously designed csio hud which was found to be comparable in performance and capability to the israeli system,also india and israel are currently developing jointly an entire array of sensor and self defence systems for the lca.

the displays of the lca and the su30mki are currently being made by a private company known as samtel.

There are no relation approve how many displays is good!
the less lage-size displays could be collection more function instead of more small-size displays less function!
Less displays let you attract all attention to main displays and made small cockpit content clean.
By the way avionics of LCA & Su-30MKK was made under frence assistance.
I don't want talk much more about LCA .....4
As i knew chinese would not bought SU-27/30..32..35. series forever .

 

[ajaybhutani]

for information on lca's avionics check out www.airforce-technology.com you can also get information of other modern combat aircrafts like ef2000,rafale,jsf,raptor etc for comparison purposes.

iam posting a paragraph about lca's avionics from that website(lca cockpit image available on the site):


The aircraft is fitted with a night vision compatible glass cockpit with Martin Baker (UK) zero-zero ejection seats.
The cockpit has two 76mm x 76mm colour liquid crystal multi-function displays developed by Bharat Electronics, a head up display developed by the Indian government-owned Central Scientific Instruments Organisation (CSIO) in Chandigarh, a liquid crystal return-to-home-base panel and keyboard. The pilot also has a helmet-mounted display.
The aircraft has a quadruplex fly-by-wire digital automatic flight control. The navigation suite includes a ring laser gyroscope inertial navigation system and an integrated global positioning system and inertial navigation
The communications suite includes VHF to UHF radio communications with built-in counter-countermeasures, air-to-air and air-to-ground data links and a HAL information friend-or-foe interrogator.
The cockpit is fitted with an environmental control system developed by Spectrum Infotech of Bangalore. The avionics suite has an integrated utilities' health monitoring system.


the reson why iam posting this is to state that lca is in no way inerior to the jf17 thunder.an aircraft cannot be considered as advanced just because it has fewer displays,but by the type of avionics,materials used in construction,powerplant,weapons compatibility,software ,sensors etc.

it is a factor of many things.

by the way does anyone know what fbw system does the jf17 thunder have ?

JF17 is a statically stable plane.. which in turn means that even with a digital FBW of the best kind it cannot give the kind of agility available in statically unstable planes like ef2000/rafale/lca.
in a way its not even fair to compare the LCA and jf17 airframe as the former's airframe itself gives it more agility(as its statically unstable) while the latter doesnt. add to it the ratio of composites used in the two.

 

[ajaybhutani]

There are no relation approve how many displays is good!
the less lage-size displays could be collection more function instead of more small-size displays less function!
Less displays let you attract all attention to main displays and made small cockpit content clean.
By the way avionics of LCA & Su-30MKK was made under frence assistance.
I don't want talk much more about LCA .....4
As i knew chinese would not bought SU-27/30..32..35. series forever .

arent the chineese still buying MKK2/MKK3 now or no more SUkhois for china. ??

 

[myskykk]

arent the chineese still buying MKK2/MKK3 now or no more SUkhois for china. ??

Yes no more SUkhois will be in china after the order of SU-30MKK2 finished.
Mybe they will got some little partation withou whole body.
The SUkhois was permitted by Russion goverment to sell SU-35&Su-37 to chinta recently. Howere it was refused by china.

 

[colvin123]

jf-17 cockpit is looking like gripen even much better then euro fighter, and euro fighter's cockpit is too better then lca.

I do think we must put FC-1 in a right position, it could not cmpare with the Euro fighter. At most we talk it wiht F-16 together. I'm afraid the newest version F-16 is better than FC-1,but FC-1 does really has it advantage.

 

[tphuang]

what is up with some of you always having to compare JF-17 to CLA?

Anyhow, we can pretty much say about the following about JF-17:
1. 3 huge MFDs and 1 HUD. The MFDs have 20 keys and can be switched to a different mode by pressing those keys. The great thing is that any of the MFDs can display any of the mode, they are not fixed.
2. The FBW package will be dependent on the buyer's needs. As AJ said, the need for FBW on JF-17 is not as important, due to the fact that it's not aerodynamically unstable like those fighters with huge delta wings. Even so, FBW does give advantages. I think you can go anywhere from analog to dual to quadriplex FBW. The Chinese FBW has all being tested on J-10. Adapting a complex FBW onto JF-17 is not a huge problem.
3. JF-17 has your usual EW suite + datalink + IRST + PD radar at the moment

compared to other cockpit, I would say that it's nice, but still not as pretty as the cockpit of super hornets and Gripen. Probably between block 50+ and block 60.

As for sukhoi, it looks like China might purchase su-33, but nothing more than that.

 

[colvin123]

There are no relation approve how many displays is good!
the less lage-size displays could be collection more function instead of more small-size displays less function!
Less displays let you attract all attention to main displays and made small cockpit content clean.
By the way avionics of LCA & Su-30MKK was made under frence assistance.
I don't want talk much more about LCA .....4
As i knew chinese would not bought SU-27/30..32..35. series forever .

I don't know how to prove my opinion, as I know , F-22,F-35, EFA,RAH-66, etc. they don't use such many LCD.

 

[hovercraft]

I do think we must put FC-1 in a right position, it could not cmpare with the Euro fighter. At most we talk it wiht F-16 together. I'm afraid the newest version F-16 is better than FC-1,but FC-1 does really has it advantage.

jf-17's cock pit is looking like f-16 block 50/52, gripen and yak-130. But i think f-16 block 50/52 and gripen is more advanced.

but it has to much difference with euro fighter.