Probably true and I would bet on Tempest (Uk, Japan, Italy) over the EU project (Germany, France) for a sixth gen fighter. Italy may not want the UK back in the EU but they don’t seem to think fellow members are right for its future fast jet needs.
Unfortunately, true. And we couldn't rejoin on the same terms.I see that there is talk within the UK of wanting to rejoin the EU. They're starting to learn that Brexit wasn't their best idea.The real point, and I don't know if the Poms have thought of this, is that the EU mightn't want them back.
Italy seems happy with Sweden as a partner. I think the only reason Sweden isn't a full partner is because the Swedes have chosen not to join in fully yet.
Absolutely true, EU sometimes has nothing to do with defence equipment, especially in very "lucrative" programs such as GCAP/SCAF and Radars, but thats actually a weakness.Italy seems happy with Sweden as a partner. I think the only reason Sweden isn't a full partner is because the Swedes have chosen not to join in fully yet.
Not being keen on partnership with France, Germany & Spain as partners for a fast jet isn't necessarily to do with the EU. Could be to do with industry. Leonardo (including its British business, of course) will lead radar development, & perhaps some other systems on a UK/Italy/Japan fast jet. Thales might not agree with that on a France/Germany/Italy/Spain aeroplane.
The EU isn't always the main factor in such decisions, or even, always, a significant factor. Not noticed how the Germans are getting pally with Israel on radars? Perhaps that's because collaboration with IAI on long-range radars is expected to make more work for Hensoldt than buying from Thales Nederland.
And so on . . . don't see the EU behind everything. It can look like an unhealthy obsession.
WRT future fast jets, the EU solution is complicated by France’s need for a carrier capable jet.Italy seems happy with Sweden as a partner. I think the only reason Sweden isn't a full partner is because the Swedes have chosen not to join in fully yet.
Not being keen on partnership with France, Germany & Spain as partners for a fast jet isn't necessarily to do with the EU. Could be to do with industry. Leonardo (including its British business, of course) will lead radar development, & perhaps some other systems on a UK/Italy/Japan fast jet. Thales might not agree with that on a France/Germany/Italy/Spain aeroplane.
The EU isn't always the main factor in such decisions, or even, always, a significant factor. Not noticed how the Germans are getting pally with Israel on radars? Perhaps that's because collaboration with IAI on long-range radars is expected to make more work for Hensoldt than buying from Thales Nederland.
And so on . . . don't see the EU behind everything. It can look like an unhealthy obsession.
Italy seems happy with Sweden as a partner. I think the only reason Sweden isn't a full partner is because the Swedes have chosen not to join in fully yet.
Not being keen on partnership with France, Germany & Spain as partners for a fast jet isn't necessarily to do with the EU. Could be to do with industry. Leonardo (including its British business, of course) will lead radar development, & perhaps some other systems on a UK/Italy/Japan fast jet. Thales might not agree with that on a France/Germany/Italy/Spain aeroplane.
The EU isn't always the main factor in such decisions, or even, always, a significant factor. Not noticed how the Germans are getting pally with Israel on radars? Perhaps that's because collaboration with IAI on long-range radars is expected to make more work for Hensoldt than buying from Thales Nederland.
And so on . . . don't see the EU behind everything. It can look like an unhealthy obsession.
It's not an obsession, its simply stating the fact of the matter of what the EU is designed to do and be, as SolarisKenzo writes above, the purpose of the EU is to be a form of United States of Europe. Where its component states still have residual 'compentencies' they have an obligation to carry out those duties to the best of the abilities, but those residual powers will be subsumed by the EU in due course just as those states no longer have control of their currency, external trade, internal regulation etc or are mearly a conduit for decisions made in Brussels..
And so on . . . don't see the EU behind everything. It can look like an unhealthy obsession.
It hasn't anything to do with French clearly stating we arent looking for partners but for clients?
Guess who just bought 25% of Hensoldt?
www.leonardo.com
Means Leonardo is going to develop both programs EW see why a possibility to merge would greatly benefit by economies of scale?
It would be a good idea if the two separate jets were made by industry consortiums, not by national consortiums.
And that's the key in the EU, the old riding a bicycle analogy the EU either goes forward or it falls off. But of course, in the EU's development there is always the risk of EU nationalism, and like the US you may find that what national leaders are doing now is simply replicated by the EU.
www.euractiv.com
www.euractiv.com
www.theguardian.com
Not sure this is the forum for it, I'd suggest that this is, like much Tory anti-EU rhetoric pre the 2016 Brexit referendum, is not much more than propaganda designed to sure up the vote of the party faithful. So unless they plan to actually leave the EU it's probably safe to ignore. And if they do want to leave the EU, that's entirely their concern and no one else's.A good article ( but I wouldnt focus on the article itself ) on why the Polish Government is a problem for the EU and its other member states.
The nationalist, oppressive, anti-UE and very pro-american drift that took place in Poland in the last year is disturbing.
The polish government is not only weakening Poland's democratic institutions, but they are a serious threat to european stability.Polish government plays anti-EU, anti-German card ahead of polls
Poland's populist, nationalist government is increasingly taking an anti-German, anti-European Union stance in the run-up to the 15 October legislative elections in the hope of mobilising its most loyal followers, analysts say.
The mass-rearmament launched last year has very little to do with the fear of Russia and much to do with the PiS imperialistic view of Poland.
Propaganda, politic control of judiciary, rearmament... Poland's spiral of nationalism seems unstoppable.
Polish judicial reforms violate EU law, EU court rules
www.theguardian.com
www.spiegel.de
Whats your point? All im seeing here is nothing more in this other than the politics as usual, politicians strutting about trying to shape the status quo to something more approaching how they want it to be.I wouldn't ignore.
Go back to 2014.
Warning:In no way I want I'm on Russian side.
But see how the Polish took a strong lead on Euromaidan.
Combine with visits from people like
Exactly as he visited Lybia and Syria before...John McCain tells Ukraine protesters: 'We are here to support your just cause'
Senator in Ukraine to support pro-EU protests as crowds demonstrate against president's pro-Russian stance
Add to this "Fuck EU"
Added to the Estonian Foreign minister (I really doubt a pro-Russia country) doubtsUkraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call
A transcript of the alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the crisis in Ukraine.www.bbc.com
Polish Foreign Minister Sikorski in the Limelight in Ukraine Crisis
The Ukraine crisis has thrust Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski into the limelight as he takes a leading role in formulating Europe's response to Russian aggression. Long a star in Warsaw politics, his stature is now growing internationally.
Nah we shouldn't Ignore in Poland we have an US agent of destabilization that worked and works efficiently.
Just in case in no way I'm justifing the military intervention (from Crimea onwards) by Russia.
www.thenationalnews.com
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