Well i can't get technical with u i know i lack sources but i am telling you what i have seen in the past decade which i spent LIVING in Saudi Arabia as a British expatriate. i can tell you something about security services of other gcc countries like Bahrain they have Retired X generals of Pakistan Army and that i have seen Pakistani soldiers and security personal on there airports they have blended quiet nicely into there environment. I can tell you one thing the Saudis needed the USAF to fly there sorties they may have pilots its doesn’t necessarily mean they can fly with the same quality. just being able to fly in combat situations is just not good enough i know ur going to throw the book at me and try to tell me again what you have told me before. but I’l tell you the system that exist there in the Arabian countries those privileged enough to be RSAF(or for that matter anywhere in the government offices) officers happen to be usually kids of the Ultra rich and well connected people. (having a strong source like a friend or someone whos father is well connected or simply being born in a rich or Royal family ) so if you just wan’t the status of a RSAF pilot and are well connected you aren’t cut out to be a pilots you can just ask ur uncle who happens to be well connected. for instance this is from a united states trainer’s account on another form he trained the Iranian air force members for the F-14 in the 70’s he told us that how the Iranian pilots used to bribe there way into the programs and how they repeatedly kept failing the syllabus but because the government at that time was willing to pay they had to sadly keep them into programme. i don't say none of the Arabs could fly and fight but i am saying the level of corruption is just not visible. for instance they could not fight the aggressive Yemeni forces when the Yemen wanted there territory back from the Saudi they had to call in some help from the Pak army to deal with the threat. i have seen what the soldier there get officer who retire have bigg massive houses with state funded farm houses and workers big lump sum cashes as retirement settlements and of course there retirement income. this is the state of the Kingdom (Arabian countries) i am not being offensive but i am merely stating the condition there on the streets. if u ask any USAF pilot that has been there in the Kingdome ie stationed he would tell you how much the RSAF relied on them they had to heavily deputize as RSAF pilots. now what i have seen are active PAF pilots. they may be just trainers(but those people are not just any ordinary pilots some happen to be war heros from the 71 war all active pilots). but to say that "The Saudi's like most other AF have a thing about letting foreigners near there birds" the “thing†is something they can’t afford to have or there precious Air crafts could be expensive paper weights. ok so the Americans flew most of there bird i am sure of that the Saud bin faisal the Foreign minister in an interview replied to a question " do you know how many American aircrafts are on saudi soil !! he paused and replied One" now could you explain me how and why would the USAF have a heavy presence in the kingdom (now gone) and not fly or go any where near the so precious F-15C’s (notice the C model not even the same standard as the USAF’s own F-15e models) they sold the Saudis.
About what you said Pakistanis not being able enough to maintain aircrafts I am sure they are well capable to maintain American aircrafts they have F-16s, which they have been maintaining for the past two-decade even during sanctions and embargos. (I know u can say those are F-16 block 15 they are old but F-15 in the RSAF’s inventory are not particularly new they are downgraded old models(apperntly the US sold a downgraded model) Now about facts the saudi’s are considering Paf Engineers. Saudis never considered or have been considering engineers from PAF its more like they have contracted PAK army engineers to update and repair Saudi Armies vehicles I am sure they are well capable of handling repairs on some vehicles. lol.
Its easy to go and get the all the available information but to see things happen in front of you and what you see first hand is different and all I am doing even tho very controversial since this form has quiet a few pro’s. is that I am just trying to share with you the experience that I have accumulated over the years.
"dSh I am 100% positive that there are no serving PAF pilots on deputation with the RSAF"
Do you work with or are you part of PAF need to know you seem really sure on this, give me the impression that you know about the workings of PAF and RSAF.
thanx would appreciate a reply
About what you said Pakistanis not being able enough to maintain aircrafts I am sure they are well capable to maintain American aircrafts they have F-16s, which they have been maintaining for the past two-decade even during sanctions and embargos. (I know u can say those are F-16 block 15 they are old but F-15 in the RSAF’s inventory are not particularly new they are downgraded old models(apperntly the US sold a downgraded model) Now about facts the saudi’s are considering Paf Engineers. Saudis never considered or have been considering engineers from PAF its more like they have contracted PAK army engineers to update and repair Saudi Armies vehicles I am sure they are well capable of handling repairs on some vehicles. lol.
Its easy to go and get the all the available information but to see things happen in front of you and what you see first hand is different and all I am doing even tho very controversial since this form has quiet a few pro’s. is that I am just trying to share with you the experience that I have accumulated over the years.
"dSh I am 100% positive that there are no serving PAF pilots on deputation with the RSAF"
Do you work with or are you part of PAF need to know you seem really sure on this, give me the impression that you know about the workings of PAF and RSAF.
thanx would appreciate a reply
