Danish and Canadian Leos in A-stan

[Waylander]

Does anyone has infos about what ammo the Canadians and Danish forces use in A-stan?

I don't expect the Leos to carry KEs (Maybe a handfull for extremely thick bunkers) but do they use plain normal DM12A2 MZ (HEAT) or have they procured some other ammo?
American canister and MPAT comes to my mind or Swedish, German or Israeli HEs.

Anyone has infos?

 

[kato]

I don't expect the Leos to carry KEs (Maybe a handfull for extremely thick bunkers)

Actually, Denmark bought PELE from Rheinmetall (modified DM33A2 in Denmark's case), a lateral-effect kinetic penetrator supposedly specially designed for urban environments.
Denmark - according to Canadian sources - has also acquired US XM1028 canister rounds.

 

[Waylander]

Aaah, I totaly forgot about PELE.

But I am still curious about the effect of it compared to a modern programmable HE.

 

[harryriedl]

now if only Challanger 2 and Arites could be flown to Afaganistan we could compare all the Euro tanks.

Chally 2 would be good in Afaganistan HESH and a proper HE round would make it handy. it could teach the huts a thing or two

 

[Waylander]

Yeah, HESH rounds are defenitely good in this environment.

What makes me wonder is that the US never deployed tanks to A-stan.

If countries with a much smaller deployment think they are worth the effort...

 

[Rythm]

Here are two pics. First of a canadian (crappy pic i know....), second of a danish tank with SAAB Barracuda Camoflage (note pockets on turret).


ah, i just saw that you wrote ammo, not cammo. too many beers i reckon. good night!

 

[winnyfield]

Yeah, HESH rounds are defenitely good in this environment.

What makes me wonder is that the US never deployed tanks to A-stan.

If countries with a much smaller deployment think they are worth the effort...

MBTs and other tracked vehicles work best in open desert terrain of S.A'stan. The majority of the US deployment is in the more moutainous areas of E.A'stan in the areas toward the Pakistan border.

 

[Waylander]

@winnyfield
But they took the brunt of the fighting in the south before ISAF took over.

@Rythm
The pockets you possibly mean is just the camo falling down from the v-shaped armor. Destroys the heavy shadow there.

 

[eckherl]

@winnyfield
But they took the brunt of the fighting in the south before ISAF took over.

@Rythm
The pockets you possibly mean is just the camo falling down from the v-shaped armor. Destroys the heavy shadow there.

Thats true but we have and can depend on alot of air support firepower when needed.

 

[Waylander]

In the end I don't think that ISAF troops now operating in the south get less air support if needed than US OEF forces.
One cannot really tell the difference anymore if there are ISAF or OEF units operating in the same theater.

 

[eckherl]

In the end I don't think that ISAF troops now operating in the south get less air support if needed than US OEF forces.
One cannot really tell the difference anymore if there are ISAF or OEF units operating in the same theater.

I totally agree, I was just giving you one of the reasons why we did not deploy MBTs, another reason is most likely due to logistics support for the Iraqi theater of operations needed inregards to MBTs which was a nightmare during the initial stages of the war, this could change as more M1s are removed from convoy escort duties.

 

[Rythm]

@Waylander, no i mean the actual pockets on the upper sloping turretarmour (just below the gunners optics) and further back along the side of the turret.

 

[Rythm]

Here is a close-up of the pockets.

 

[kato]

Those pockets (from their shapes) are probably used for equipment that would regularly be carried on top of the armour (digging stuff etc), and would be needed in operation without first removing the camo netting.

 

[Waylander]

Aaah, now I know what you mean.

Kato is right. Just a box to put your stuff in (IIRC you can get still access to the stuff on the engine deck, yo no digging stuff).
More likely they put stuff like maps, optics cleaning stuff, additional binos, etc. in there.

At least German and Dutch Leo tankers also tend to put boxes on top of the turrets when in the field.

But this is still nothing compared to what Abrams crews tend to hang onto their turrets...

 

[regstrup]

Here is picture of the danish tankers loading ammo into the Leo's

LINK to picture

 

[Grand Danois]

Movie clip of AN-124 deploying the Danish Leos to Afghanistan, testfiring the guns, etc.

http://www.nato.int/isaf/media/video/2007/index.html

Alternatively

http://www.nato.int/multi/2007/071121b-afghan-stories/video/071121b-01.wmv


They saw their first combat today (Saturday), repulsing a Taleban attack with cannon and machinegun fire.

 

[Manfred2]

Canada has 20 Leos there, any word on how many tanks the other nations have in-country?

And... what nick-names have they come up with for that place? (US troops refer to it as Trash-can-istan)

 

[kato]

Canada has 20 Leos there, any word on how many tanks the other nations have in-country?

Zero. Well, Battle tanks anyway (Canada: 20, Denmark: 4).

Germany has four Marder, and a single Bergepanzer 2, down there. Plenty of small fry too.
Norway has a couple CV9030N.
Netherlands has its three semi-stationary PzH 2000 in base defense.
UK has a couple CVR(T), nothing bigger iirc.
US has no armor down there at all, not even Bradleys.

And about everyone seems to use Bv-206 in AFG.

The ANA itself has a couple hundred T-55 and such, no idea if they actually use them though. Kinda doubt it.

 

[winnyfield]

Zero. Well, Battle tanks anyway (Canada: 20, Denmark: 4).

Germany has four Marder, and a single Bergepanzer 2, down there. Plenty of small fry too.
Norway has a couple CV9030N.
Netherlands has its three semi-stationary PzH 2000 in base defense.
UK has a couple CVR(T), nothing bigger iirc.
US has no armor down there at all, not even Bradleys.

UK has Warriors in the field.
US only has mostly light infantry in A'stan, thus nothing 'heavy'.
Aussies have the ASLAVS - see Aussie M113 thread. Heaviest Aussie vehicles are probably the engineering equipment.

MBTs IMO are not the most strategically important. The lack of helicopters is a much greater concern.