Chinese Engineer Cracks Russian Su-27 Fighter Production Codes

Aegis

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A DEBKAfile Exclusive from Beijing

A 33-year old Chinese software engineer, Zhu Rong Gong, has duplicated the secret fire-control software and systems integration for Russia’s Su-27 series of aircraft, giving his country’s drive towards the fully autonomous production of this potent weapon a sharp spurt.

DEBKAfile reports this feat of Beijing’s commercial-military intelligence from its exclusive Chinese sources.

Zhu, who works at China’s Luoyang Institute of Electro-Optical Equipment (AVIC Research Institute Number 613), has won many awards, including a personal commendation from Defense Minister General Chi Haotian.

China is currently believed to operate 100 or more of these state of the art fighter aircraft, which parallel the Russian Mig-29 and US F-15C. In February 1996, Russia sold full Su-27 production rights to China for US$2.5 billion, but withheld the production secrets of certain key technologies, such as the software used to control the aircraft’s sophisticated integrated fire control system, which were supplied only in “black box†form.

Initially, China completed its first domestic production of SU-27s, which the Chinese air force designates J-11, in late 1998, from imported components. By the end of this year, its output is expected to reach ten aircraft and then rise to 15 annually. The Chinese estimate eventual domestic production going up to 100 per year, although Western estimates put this total at no more than 10 to 20 aircraft per year with substantial Russian assistance.

During August 1999, Beijing and Moscow signed an agreement for the purchase of 40 or more Su-30MKK (i.e. modernizirovannyi kommerchesky dla Kitaya, or ‘modernized commercially for China’) fighter-bombers from the Irktusk Aircraft Production Association in a contract worth up to another US$2.5 billion. A co-production agreement was subsequently made for an additional 250 aircraft, most likely at the Shenyang facility, and the purchase of a second batch of 40 constructed aircraft.

The Su-30MKK is a sophisticated long-range attack version of the Su-27 that can deliver a wide variety of ordnance.

The Russians counted on their “bans and restrictionsâ€, coupled with China’s practical limitations, to hold Beijing back from modernizing and exporting non-licensed versions of the SU-27 and SU-30 variants without their help. They relied on the fact that the AL-31F engines and all the sets of radio-electronic equipment for these planes had to come fromRussia.

However, Chinese intelligence has actively pursued the secrets of the aircraft sub-systems Russia is withholding. During early 1999, a plot to steal key Sukhoi Su-27 technologies denied to China was reportedly foiled by the Russian Federal Security Service; on May 1, 1999, the Russian Far East Military District Court charged two Chinese nationals and five Russians with stripping two sets of equipment from Russian operational aircraft and from the Komsomolsk-na-Amur Aviation Production Works, where the Su-27 is manufactured. Most of the stolen items were believed recovered.

The Luoyang Institute of Electro-Optical Equipment, Luoyang, Henan Province, where Zhu is employed, has been a key R&D establishment for Chinese airborne fire control systems for two decades. It has over 1,500 employees, including some 100 senior scientists and 300 engineers. Its departments include: fire control engineering; fire control computer; electro-optical display technology; rate gyro sensor; TV, laser and infrared technology; fire control simulation technology; opto-electronic aiming technology; trial production factory, etc. It has developed three generations of fire control and electro-optical systems (e.g. automatic tracking systems, helmet-mounted tracking and display systems, airborne video recording systems, HUD/fire targeting system, etc.), some of which the institute claims have reached Western levels of sophistication. The institute has ISO9001 quality certification and a simulation lab for airborne fire control systems.

Its work, crowned by Zhu Rong Gong’s duplication feat, has contributed significantly towards China mass-producing its own updated and improved versions of the Su-27 fighter aircraft design, free of dependence on Moscow.
Chinese style!
 

gf0012-aust

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IIRC that code crack was exposed as a hoax. It was doing the rounds in some of the Russian aviation forums early this year.

If it isn't a hoax, then China will probably find out that Russia isn't keen on selling her late generation technology anymore.
 

Aegis

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gf0012-aust said:
IIRC that code crack was exposed as a hoax. It was doing the rounds in some of the Russian aviation forums early this year.

If it isn't a hoax, then China will probably find out that Russia isn't keen on selling her late generation technology anymore.
They will! They need cash badly. Plus,they don't think chinese is a threat to them presently.They r quite on friendly term! When u r desperate for cash,people will not act rational. By the way,chinese is not v keen to buy but trying to produce indigneous.
 

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Sour grapes for them. I rmmbr havin an arguement with gf over the su-27 issue and wether china was liable to indigenise the flanker and if this isnt a hoax then i could be right. And gf about the hi tech hardware, since when has russia been selling china some REAL high tech hardware in the first place? in case u dont know they wont go over 4th generation and prefer sellin 3rd generation gadgets. The su-27 is third generation and the russians gave the chinese a license to make it earning billions in revenue. The Su-30 is in the 4th generation category thus the russians didnt even give the chinese a license. And these days no body is really overly worried about Su-27s when it comes to security concerns. The Chinese would take atleast 5 years to maek an upgrade or variant AFTER the plane has been mastered. Thats like what 2020? By that time half the russian air force will have Mig-1.44s and S-37s and Su-35s and what ever. Having a 5th generation in hand and fighting a 3rd generation with it is like fighting a mig-15 with an F-16. Get what im sayin?

And about the engine and radar, well the russians will have to accept the sobre reality that the chinese can equip the J-11 with a WS-10 and some other radar and make it sumthing of their own. Ofcourse it wont be as good as the original copy and well just have 2 wait for the variant.

But once this thing is confirmed in moscow all hell is gonna break lose. The chinese can kiss their Sa-10s, Sa-12s and Sa-15s (and soveirnmies and blah blah blah). Garys rite, no more goodies for china. They shouldve waited till the time the gap wouldve closed. But even if moscow closes its doors china has the EU to look forward to and some smaller sources like Israel, south africa and maybe pakistan. Good luck to them.

PS i know the generation stuff is kinda crude but i have 2 generalize sorry. The point was sell cheap 2 china and make profit, keep goodies for oneself.
 

Aegis

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Thats like what 2020? By that time half the russian air force will have Mig-1.44s and S-37s and Su-35s and what ever. Having a 5th generation in hand and fighting a 3rd generation with it is like fighting a mig-15 with an F-16. Get what im sayin?
I don't think Russian even has fund for research? Mig-1.44s project is stalled due to lack of fund! So as Su-37,I think Su-35 is not even deploy due to fund problem again. By 2020,I think Russian is still operating Su-30MMk and Mig-29SMT as main forces.

Present Russia is not the Soviet Union u know 15 yrs ago.Morale is all time low! Soldeir wages r not even pay and u talk abt building and modernise the air force? They may have the abilities to field 2 squadron of Mig-144 in 15 yrs time but what the point? They need to maintain separate crew,support,facilities,spareparts and many many more...with Su-30MMK. Again,money? Russia is not china,attracting double digit billions of investment every years to substain its economy.It is in pathetic state.If I say a bit far,will mean PAPER TIGER! By then of 2020,China is already a weapon producer,selling weapon to it's allies and replace Russia.Why it need russia,do u know China R&D investment has even overtake Superpower US in mid 2004? They r doing a lot of research,trying to develop their own technology.
 

gf0012-aust

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Aegis said:
They r doing a lot of research,trying to develop their own technology.
I'd be interested to see the supporting data on this. AFAIK IBM's own R&D Divisional spend is greater than a lot of the top countries military R&D Budgets.
 

Aegis

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gf0012-aust said:
I'd be interested to see the supporting data on this. AFAIK IBM's own R&D Divisional spend is greater than a lot of the top countries military R&D Budgets.
Sry,i get mixed up,it shall be china attracts of foreign investment overtakes US while china R&D ranks 3th behind US and Japan! But the sources I can get is quite old,given a 2 yrs lag time.China R&D still cannot overtakes US as u can sees from the sources the gap! Yr 2001-US is 282 Billion while china ranks third of 60 billion.
http://www.fiducia-china.com/News/2003/266-1040.html
 

srirangan

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Not very. With a powerful machine and a good brute force algorithm, almost any code can be cracked. Ofcourse it takes time depending on the complexities involved, but its a law for us hackers, if god will anything can be cracked. Eh, and for us our god in our programming language of choice.
 

redsoulja

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well what are india's chances of emerging as the R&D power
i read alot of artuicles about the pharmaceuticals industry and medical industry making inroadsinto the global economy
 

srirangan

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Yep, those two sectors are doing really well, but this isn't the right thread to discuss that.

/Sorry for offtopic post
 

srirangan

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>> They should buy an F-22 and crack it's code.
>> Will Bush even sell it to India?

Bush won't even sell it to Israel, he might sell 'em to the UK. :D China is far far from getting her hands on the Raptor.
 

highsea

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srirangan said:
Lavi was sold to China, not leaked.
I'm not sure I agree with that sri. The Lavi was developed with US dollars and technology, and Israel definitely did not have US approval to transfer it to China. In fact we kicked up quite a fuss when we found out, and it's not really over yet. Israel better be careful about this sort of thing, or they will find themselves in a world of hurt as far as US support goes.
 

srirangan

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Israel collaborated with China over the transfer of technology of the Lavi. I am sure it wasn't stolen from Israeli labs, but was handed over to the Chinese.
 
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