The rapid growth is causing huge inflation in cities everywhere around China. I remember I could get a bowl of noodle near my elementry school in China for 3 dollars in 1996 before I came to Canada, last time I went back about 2 years ago it cost me 23(Same noodle shop). While the rich keeps hitting the jackpot in the boom, the income for average citizens remain relatively the same. If something isn't done about it by Beijing soon, the country might be torn apart.
China May Soon Have 800 Missiles Targeting Taiwan
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The island of Taiwan has been part of China since Tang dynasty. It was taken over by Dutch in the 1500's or 1600's(I'm bad at chinese history) but reunified by Zheng Cheng Gong in Ming dynasty. After the Chinese loss at the naval battle of Yellow Sea to Japanese navy, it was given over to Japanese along with several tons of silver and gold as compensations. Nationalist government reclaim it after the Japanese defeat but escape to the island when they got defeated by communist forces. All people from Taiwan were originally from mainland China. So tell me, what makes you think China must keep their feet away? If your son no longer wishes to carry your name and claims part of your house as his, what would you do?ashoaib said:
Pretty much every state has one group or another that advocates separation from the union. Usually these are the so-called "militias". Mainly they are just pissed off about paying taxes.sri said:
: Then you've got the southerners who still think they won the civil war. Lol, they are pretty harmless in general, every so often they kick up and cause some damage, but for the most part they are just blowhards.
Hawaii became a state in 1959 as a result of a political status plebiscite in which 94% of all the votes were in favor of statehood. Like Texas, the vast majority are perfectly content to remain a part of the US.
There is also a strong statehood movement in both Guam and Puerto Rico today, with the majorities of both territories favoring full statehood. I think Puerto Rico will be first, as they have more support in the US.
I support them, as I think they deserve the benefits this would afford them. Neither territory could survive economically on their own, and by gaining statehood, they would get some major economic benefits. Also, the right to vote in US elections and better representation in Congress. Both the Republican and the Democratic Parties in the US have stated that they would approve statehood if the majority of the populations of the islands voted for it. I would not be surprised to see a plebiscite in Puerto Rico in the next decade.
I also support Taiwan's full independence from China, though I don't think it will happen anytime soon. Considering they fought for and won it in 1949, I think they are entitled to it.
I believe the Nationalist was defeated and escape to Taiwan carrying everything they could in 1949. Where did the victory came from? The only reason Mao didn't attack Taiwan at the time was there wasn't enough boats and escort vessel to launch a successful campaign. Although I do consider the ROC government to be a legitimate one, for they can be traced back to 1913, a whole 14 years before Chinese communist party was formed in 1927. So technically, they're still the government of China, but realistically, communist are the government of China.highsea said:
Yes, Chaing-Kai-shek was defeated in mainland China. I didn't phrase my comment well. Sorry.Pathfinder-X said:
From what I've read, Taiwan was originally settled by people of Polynesian/Malay descent. When the Dutch took over in the 1620's, they imported Chinese from the mainland as workers. These Chinese intermarried with the aboriginal population, and their descendants are the modern day Taiwanese.
When the Dutch were driven off, the Manchu emperors tried to extend their influence over the island, but were not very successful, with continuous clashes between the locals and the officials from the mainland. It wasn't until the late 1880's that the Manchu Imperial Authorities declared Taiwan to be a province of China. When Japan defeated China in the Sino-Japanese war in 1895, China ceded Taiwan to Japan "in perpetuity".
So Japan ruled Taiwan for 50 years, but when Japan was defeated in WW2, the Allied powers agreed to let Chaing "temporarily" occupy Taiwan in 1945, as their agent. In 1949, after losing to the communists, Chaing re-established the remainder of his government permanently in Taiwan. In 1951-1952, the San Francisco Peace Treaty formally concluded the war with Japan, and the treaty allowed for Taiwan's status to be determined by the principles of the UN. Basically it meant that the Taiwanese people should determine their own fate.
So I will clarify my comment. I think the Taiwanese people should be the ones determining their fate. If they choose independence, it should be honored. If they choose to join with China, that should be honored also.
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Here is a quote from the official ROC government site on Taiwan's ethnic composition.highsea said:
Link: http://www.gio.gov.tw/taiwan-website/5-gp/yearbook/chpt02.htm#2
Unifications wasn't much of a problem between people of mainland and Taiwan before late 1980's because the dispute wasn't whether Taiwan is part of China, it was mainly on who is the true government of China. The current ruling party of Taiwan, Min Jin Dang, along with Taiwan Christian Elders Society, introduced the idea that Taiwan should be independent nations, not part of China. Recently many people in Taiwan's call for replacing the name Rublic of China with Republic of Taiwan. I think that where Beijing will draw the red line on retaking the island. Btw, I should also mention the fact that Taiwan's population on the issue is divided by half, one side supports remaining the same while other pushes for Republic of Taiwan and change of consititution.
That is IF they want to become rebels (as in officially) by declaring independence. In case you don't know, those missiles are aimed to the sky, not any particular island.
Depends on what the Taiwanese themselves do. (i.e If they declare independence, then byebye....)
If they want their country to be strong, then yes. Unity is what makes a country strong.
Do you have a clue what is non-durable goods, talk about economics? People will sooner or later need to buy stuff, and since Chinese product are the cheapest, they'll generally choose "made in China" produces.
That was an exaggeration
You mean China had taken nothing back in 1997?
Well is an overheating economy with a sustainable level of economic growth!!
Going back to 1949? What? You mean when all and US, European investors leave China?
That almost scared me...... LOL
Well they're trying to keep it down. These thinbgs are simply inevitable in a growing economy.
In thats case, then I guess you'll hear Hawaiians accused of being armed with WMD in CNN soon. And guess who's gonna save the world?!! ROFLMAO
>> In case you don't know, those missiles are aimed to the sky,
>> not any particular island.
Do you think I'm a 2 year old kid, that is a rubbish argument/
>> Do you have a clue what is non-durable goods, talk about economics?
>> People will sooner or later need to buy stuff, and since Chinese
>> product are the cheapest, they'll generally choose "made in China"
>> produces.
Yea well, you are producing a lot more than they can buy. There is a limit, like it or not, China is exceeding it, at their own peril.
Berry, of topic comment, cut down the pro-China anti-US anti-India anti-Taiwan rhetoric. Your arguments and posts seem very unorganized and plain propaganda'ish instead of a serious discussion of the issue. It does not paint a good picture of yourself or your background.
>> not any particular island.
Do you think I'm a 2 year old kid, that is a rubbish argument/
>> Do you have a clue what is non-durable goods, talk about economics?
>> People will sooner or later need to buy stuff, and since Chinese
>> product are the cheapest, they'll generally choose "made in China"
>> produces.
Yea well, you are producing a lot more than they can buy. There is a limit, like it or not, China is exceeding it, at their own peril.
Berry, of topic comment, cut down the pro-China anti-US anti-India anti-Taiwan rhetoric. Your arguments and posts seem very unorganized and plain propaganda'ish instead of a serious discussion of the issue. It does not paint a good picture of yourself or your background.
I'm assuming you're joking? They're short range ballistic missiles - they can only reach Taiwan or Japanberry580 said:
The shore based batteries use variations fo the Russian Styx - which also means that they can only reach Taiwan. In addition, the C8 series of shore based missiles are ramp launched, they're not VLS (which is irrelevant)
In that case, there will be no objections to having them point to the sky somewhere out of range of this particular island, or will there?berry580 said:
What drivel! Confusing QUALITY ("national unity") with QUANTITY ("whether a country oncludes some territory or people") here. Also, sound a little too much like that little Austrian corporal used to say: "heim ins Reich".berry580 said:
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Now, 'that' was hilarious! nfloorl:
nfloorl:WOW!!! China pointing missiles in the sky, they must plan to attack aliens and establish a moon colony. :
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