China assures Pakistan of better Navy support

[mysterious]

China assures Pakistan of better Navy support

BEIJING: Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah met Chinese Defence Minister General Cao Guangchuan on Tuesday and discussed defence cooperation between the two countries.

Sources called the meeting very productive and said the two sides agreed to reinforce bilateral cooperation between the two navies.

During the meeting, Admiral Karimullah discussed with the Chinese minister matters relating to the purchase of four frigates from China. The Chinese officials agreed to meet the defence needs of the Pakistan Navy. Sources said it was hoped the deal to buy the four warships would be finalised soon.

General Cao, who is also the vice-chairman of the Chinese Central Military Commission, assured Admiral Karimullah that China would continue to improve defence ties with Pakistan. Admiral Karimullah also met Chinese Navy’s Vice Admiral Zhang Dingfa.

They expressed satisfaction over the cooperation between the two navies and decided to consolidate that.

They decided that the two navies would continue cooperation in various fields including training to strengthen their defence capability.

General Cao said in an interview that China’s friendship with Pakistan had been growing since the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries. APP

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_19-5-2004_pg7_22

Interesting! :smokingc:

 

[lamdacore]

This is a good development but would it really be suitable for pakistan to follow into the footsteps of the chinese navy? because i am not sure whether if the chinese navy has competing ships and competent enough to stand to a very good professional army? I need info on this but i am still happy to know that pakistan and china are maintaining their good relationship.

 

[gf0012-aust]

I'm curious as to how China is going to build Pakistan 4 vessels, She cannot maintain her own shipbuilding regime at present. China has been buying half or hull complete units from the Russians to keep up with the demand of her own needs.

At current levels, that indicates at least a 4 year window before they could even consider building or starting to build anything else for allies or partners.

 

[adsH]

I'm curious as to how China is going to build Pakistan 4 vessels, She cannot maintain her own shipbuilding regime at present. China has been buying half or hull complete units from the Russians to keep up with the demand of her own needs.

At current levels, that indicates at least a 4 year window before they could even consider building or starting to build anything else for allies or partners.

GF i tihink i heard this from some where but I THINK THE Chinese navy has couple of of Hulls lying at the the Dry D. thats one ship sorted the rest of them will be built at karachi, Pakistan port with help from chinese contracted engineers!!

 

[mysterious]

Yup! I've read it as well. One ship will be built in China while the rest three in Pakistan. :smokingc:

 

[Pathfinder-X]

I'm curious as to how China is going to build Pakistan 4 vessels, She cannot maintain her own shipbuilding regime at present. China has been buying half or hull complete units from the Russians to keep up with the demand of her own needs.

At current levels, that indicates at least a 4 year window before they could even consider building or starting to build anything else for allies or partners.

i agree wif u. china's shipbuilding program cannot support the rate its navy is growing so they choosed to buy DDGs from russian. the election in taiwan has brought a lot of tension in that region, and PLAN is not feeling very confident against the navy of ROC(also the possible interference of U.S or Japan) so it needs to pump up its strength quickly, those almost completed hulls in russia seems lk the logical chose to strengthen the navy quickly

it's sad story reali, some power struggle between commies and KMT from almost 60 years ago turn into the hostility of two sides. logically speaking, the KMT is still the government of china(u can see from the official website, it claims to have 960 million km2 of land), but reality is that communist taken over almost 60 years ago and wants to unite the country. if a conflict ever breaks out it can be counted as civil wars

 

[gf0012-aust]

The estimates are that the PLAN will have a qualitative parity with Taiwans Navy by 2005-2006 at current rates.

At current force levels, China would be unable to successfully manage an invasion of Taiwan as the latter has much smaller forces, but qualitatively they are deemed far better.

A Normandy style op by mainland China on Taiwan would be a disaster at the moment.

The only successful airlift they (PRC) have had was against Tibet, and that was a totally benign theatre. Taiwans IADS would decimate an incoming airborne assault. It's navy is more than able to stop Chinas forces. It's ASW capability almost renders Chinas current submarine fleet to the point of inactivity.

I'd bet that 2006 is the year that they become more belligerent.

 

[Pathfinder-X]

The estimates are that the PLAN will have a qualitative parity with Taiwans Navy by 2005-2006 at current rates.

At current force levels, China would be unable to successfully manage an invasion of Taiwan as the latter has much smaller forces, but qualitatively they are deemed far better.

A Normandy style op by mainland China on Taiwan would be a disaster at the moment.

The only successful airlift they (PRC) have had was against Tibet, and that was a totally benign theatre. Taiwans IADS would decimate an incoming airborne assault. It's navy is more than able to stop Chinas forces. It's ASW capability almost renders Chinas current submarine fleet to the point of inactivity.

I'd bet that 2006 is the year that they become more belligerent.

u forgot to take one thing into account, taiwan's defence systems were mostly bought from U.S. it'll be hard to replace when destoryed or damaged
another thing u should know about chinese, we don't attack our foes unless we r lot stronger than they r, and we will try to finish them off once and for all. that is the way our history of warfare goes, to destroy or cripple ur foes, never letting him to be a threat to u again. base on the way chinese wage wars, i don't think china will try to re-unite taiwan within ten years

 

[adsH]

i doubt china wants to destroy taiwan!! they want it reunited like HK!! why would they think of destroying all that progress made byt the Taiwanese. The US can shipp excess Defense articles at any sign of trouble so that sorts out there destroyed defense Articles matter and the US will not sit idly by while china engulfs taiwan!! , you would expect some sort of Action from the US.

 

[Pathfinder-X]

i doubt china wants to destroy taiwan!! they want it reunited like HK!! why would they think of destroying all that progress made byt the Taiwanese. The US can shipp excess Defense articles at any sign of trouble so that sorts out there destroyed defense Articles matter and the US will not sit idly by while china engulfs taiwan!! , you would expect some sort of Action from the US.

do u reali think U.S will try to wage war over china for taiwan?? the reason U.S is helping taiwan is to control china, but when china decides it needs to unite the country it's not in U.S's interest to get involved in such a war. this war will happen sooner or later, however, later would be better for china.

 

[adsH]

i doubt china wants to destroy taiwan!! they want it reunited like HK!! why would they think of destroying all that progress made byt the Taiwanese. The US can shipp excess Defense articles at any sign of trouble so that sorts out there destroyed defense Articles matter and the US will not sit idly by while china engulfs taiwan!! , you would expect some sort of Action from the US.

do u reali think U.S will try to wage war over china for taiwan?? the reason U.S is helping taiwan is to control china, but when china decides it needs to unite the country it's not in U.S's interest to get involved in such a war. this war will happen sooner or later, however, later would be better for china.

Yeah true mate but Teh US Will Threaten China with its Nukes not its soldiers. it will Blockade Sanction the Country And every nation will follow Suet China still does not Command international Obedience like the US, then the US will sit back and Watch China Collapse Bit by bit like it did with The Soviets!! its a tested tried and proven method. china won't be able to use its missiles in the Furue all this fiasco about Missile defense system being installed is not intended for North K its got to be for China!!! think about it, as the Taiwanese come close to Declaring sovereignty and chinese coming close to invading Taiwan the US feals a sudden urge to develop its Missile defense system at a tenfold speed. they are doing feild trials in the Japanese waters

 

[mysterious]

A rather exaggerated post adsh. China is fast emerging as the biggest player in international politics and relations! You really think that in China's case the world would wag its tail for US and not give a thought to China?? Do you know that EU is every day falling deeper in love with China because of its gigantic demand for consumer and capital goods? Sure, its gona be a hard decision for the world as to whom to side with but I doubt it'll be a unanimous siding with the US. And I dont think the US is going to threaten China with its nuclear weapons! Heck, China has its own well established nuclear weapons with ICBMs having enough range to strike anywhere in the US!! That is why we see double standards in US policy all the time regarding Taiwan. Each day we see Powell and others promoting the 'one China' policy but on the other hand selling more and more weapons to Taiwan to strengthen it against China. For me, its all about waiting for the time when Taiwan is politically isolated by the pressure China is exerting on countries that have relations with Taiwan or side with it. Eventually Taiwan will have to give up. Its just too small to withstand Chinese political and strategic pressure in the long-term. :smokingc:

 

[adsH]

Myst All i am going to say, Never Under Estimate the Will and determination of smaller Nation!! i think there can be Lines drawn from the that Scenarios to many other nations around the World Russian is Haveing aHeck of a time in Chechniya. I know china will never endup being successful in completing the take over, Do you honestly think the World Community Led and backed by the US will not say a word if a Small Nation :roll DEMOCRATIC NAtion who is Fighting for its freedome day in day out gets engulfed by a nation like 100 timesit size.lol the lesst i would expect is Santions, EU will follow suite becasue they have alot more economical military and Cultureal ties with the biggest Economy and Military in the world THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA . :usa lol Myst i Just wanted to Emphasize this point Come onn mate were talking about The US!! THE US!! i have nothing against China BUt i can't see them (China) takeing over a poor Tiny nation and no one would say a word!!! Economical sanction is biggest tool at there diposal china has loans (trade defictis i believe) out to the US, Myst could you tell me who would be the bigest looser here
the Idea of Missile defense is to eliminate the Deterrent (thinking), that a country has, to tell them that your weapons are useless against us!! Lets be Serious Nuke are never going to be used!! Hope so

 

[mysterious]

Firstly, as far as China-US trading deficit/surplus goes, China has a 'huge' and ever rising surplus where as the US is increasingly facing a trade balance deficit in its trade with China! Secondly, I never said that China will take over Taiwan tommorow morning! I even said, its all about waiting and seeing; and we can already see China slowly but surely isolating Taiwan politically. Sure the US has not allowed China to take out Taiwan (and wont do so anytime in the near future) but at the same time, US re-iterations about the "one China" policy are growing and becoming more 'n' more frequent. You see, 'no one' wants to risk losing a 1.2 billion consumer market! :smokingc:

 

[Pathfinder-X]

Myst All i am going to say, Never Under Estimate the Will and determination of smaller Nation!! i think there can be Lines drawn from the that Scenarios to many other nations around the World Russian is Haveing aHeck of a time in Chechniya. I know china will never endup being successful in completing the take over, Do you honestly think the World Community Led and backed by the US will not say a word if a Small Nation :roll DEMOCRATIC NAtion who is Fighting for its freedome day in day out gets engulfed by a nation like 100 timesit size.lol the lesst i would expect is Santions, EU will follow suite becasue they have alot more economical military and Cultureal ties with the biggest Economy and Military in the world THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA . :usa lol Myst i Just wanted to Emphasize this point Come onn mate were talking about The US!! THE US!! i have nothing against China BUt i can't see them (China) takeing over a poor Tiny nation and no one would say a word!!! Economical sanction is biggest tool at there diposal china has loans (trade defictis i believe) out to the US, Myst could you tell me who would be the bigest looser here
the Idea of Missile defense is to eliminate the Deterrent (thinking), that a country has, to tell them that your weapons are useless against us!! Lets be Serious Nuke are never going to be used!! Hope so

first of all taiwan is not a nation, it's part of china. the KMT and communist power struggle led to a civil war that divided the two sides. KMT was forced to retreat to taiwan, and communist held on the mainland china. originally the KMT had a plans to take back mainland "one year prepare, 2 year attack, 4 years clean up, 5 years unite", the plan never became a reality and a cease fire was never declared, so technically communist and KMT is still at war. and technically KMT should still be the official government of china. but the reality is that during recent years a new trend of seperatism is growing inside taiwan, claiming it has nothing to do wif china and that taiwan was never china's. this idea is especially popular amoung young born ppl in taiwan. communist planned to talk wif taiwan to peacefully gain the island back in the 1980's, which created the "1 nation 2 policies" plan. but from the way it looks now, the only solution is a invasion. the chinese youth born in mainland china see it's their responsiblity to unite china, and also a small portion of youth in taiwan also support unification. i have no doubt that they will unite in the next two decades, it's the will of 1.3 billion ppl.

 

[adsH]

Hey Myst, i did mean that the US has a deficit and china has a surpluss the US deficit was funded by chinese, well a better part, so china would loose on ever going to war with the US thats all i meant!! well in the Short Run!!

 

[joker]

Does anybody have any pics of the Victory class FAC of the Singaporean navy?? Currently two vessels are being built at KSEW (Karachi) with Singaporean and German assistance for the PN.

 

[Red aRRow]

Does anybody have any pics of the Victory class FAC of the Singaporean navy?? Currently two vessels are being built at KSEW (Karachi) with Singaporean and German assistance for the PN.

What the.....I didn't know this. Can you fill me up on the latest please joker??

 

[mysterious]

I have no idea about this either. When did this happen? Any proof or pics to prove? :roll

 

[Red aRRow]

Here is a picture of the hull of the F-22P FFG which is being built for Pakistan Navy in Shanghai.
The hull is the one to the right side of the picture, so don't start looking at the complete PLAN FFG which is to the left in the picture!!!