Building Type 054A with VLS in GuangZhou

[myskykk]

HHQ-16/Tor-M1 and YJ-83?

 

[myskykk]

just Chinese body whith Russia System?

 

[contedicavour]

YJ-83 / C-803 allright, though not sure about the SAMs.

The original Type 054 didn't have VLS SAMs, so one can only speculate on the VLS on Type 054. Could be HHQ-9 though I would have expected such a long-range to be dedicated to DDGs. Same for Grumble. How about VLS SA-N-12 Shtil improved, as on the Indian Kolkata (Delhi follow-on) ?

cheers

 

[tphuang]

YJ-83 / C-803 allright, though not sure about the SAMs.

The original Type 054 didn't have VLS SAMs, so one can only speculate on the VLS on Type 054. Could be HHQ-9 though I would have expected such a long-range to be dedicated to DDGs. Same for Grumble. How about VLS SA-N-12 Shtil improved, as on the Indian Kolkata (Delhi follow-on) ?

cheers

there is a lot of speculations on this system right now. What we do know is that it should be a larger than 054 to support the VLS. The search radar used is most likely Top Plate. I'm not sure about what is the guidance radars are used.

 

[weasel1962]

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[myskykk]

There are only limited number of VLS systems.

I think most likely HQ-17 which is the chinese copy of the TOR system (SA-N-9). Grumble and HHQ9 is too large to fit into a Type 54 hull.

There are 32X VLS like MK41 .
much news displayed the missile is base on the R-73 with Russian A2A missile
not just only copy Tor

 

[weasel1962]

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[tphuang]

"much news displayed "

Links please...

look on the picture of the model. That's what everyone is expecting to appear on 054A. (which is, 32 cell MK-41 style VLS) Who knows, maybe it will get something else.

 

[weasel1962]

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[myskykk]

Was actually referring to "base on R73".

Actually That's impossible to just simple move on ship !Tor M1 or S-300PUMX Just old 70-80th production could not be adapted today Net war!
In 1998 Russia joined HQ-16 project be developed over 10 years.
The chinese policy Called "Double Legs" means We Got Russia weapon System and continue own "same function\Roles" Weapon System not give up! For example: WS-10A and AL-32F, 052C and 051C Kilo and 041/039A R-77 and PL-12 that's real chinese menace US and Russia fear and the biggest diffence from india.

Tor-m1 and HQ-16A S-300 and HQ9

 

[myskykk]

there is a lot of speculations on this system right now. What we do know is that it should be a larger than 054 to support the VLS. The search radar used is most likely Top Plate. I'm not sure about what is the guidance radars are used.

radars: 4X goblet

 

[aaaditya]

radars: 4X goblet

what are the missile director radars on this latest chinese warship ? and how many missiles can they direct onto the targets(air to air)?

 

[falconer21cn]

The chinese policy Called "Double Legs" means We Got Russia weapon System and go on ! that's real chinese menace US and Russia fear and the biggest diffence from india.
own "same function\Roles" Weapon System not give up!

Yes,yes! That is the key point!:

 

[tphuang]

Actually That's impossible to just simple move on ship !Tor M1 or S-300PUMX Just old 70-80th production could not be adapted today Net war!
In 1998 Russia joined HQ-16 project be developed over 10 years.
The chinese policy Called "Double Legs" means We Got Russia weapon System and continue own "same function\Roles" Weapon System not give up! For example: WS-10A and AL-32F, 052C and 051C Kilo and 041/039A R-77 and PL-12 that's real chinese menace US and Russia fear and the biggest diffence from india.

Tor-m1 and HQ-16A S-300 and HQ9

R-73 is SRAAM, whatever they are putting on 054A is not. There is no such thing as AL-32F. There is no such thing as 041. Where did you get Russians joining HQ-16 in 1998? There is no such proof.

"radars: 4X goblet"
are you talking about 4 MR-90?

 

[myskykk]

R-73 is SRAAM, whatever they are putting on 054A is not. There is no such thing as AL-32F. There is no such thing as 041. Where did you get Russians joining HQ-16 in 1998? There is no such proof.

"radars: 4X goblet"
are you talking about 4 MR-90?

"CLAWS " You know what's this?
GLCL with AMRAAM AIM-120C to be perfect VLS
Why put R-73 on chinese MK-41 to be impossible?

 

[myskykk]

what are the missile director radars on this latest chinese warship ? and how many missiles can they direct onto the targets(air to air)?

You should enlarge the last picture which red line i wrote and got key

 

[tphuang]

"CLAWS " You know what's this?
GLCL with AMRAAM AIM-120C to be perfect VLS
Why put R-73 on chinese MK-41 to be impossible?

you would need to develop the SAM version first of all. And second of all, China would be more likely developing it's homegrown version, which it already has with DK-9C. And btw, that went no where.

 

[contedicavour]

you would need to develop the SAM version first of all. And second of all, China would be more likely developing it's homegrown version, which it already has with DK-9C. And btw, that went no where.

What plans does the PLAN have to replace the local copy of Crotale for short range SAMs aboard its FFGs/older DDGs ?
It's great that they develop HQ-9 (whatever its maximum range ), but they should also speed up a bit programmes to achieve something comparable to Aster-15 or at least ESSM, both in terms of range (20-30km) and speed (Mach 3.5-4.0)

cheers

 

[tphuang]

What plans does the PLAN have to replace the local copy of Crotale for short range SAMs aboard its FFGs/older DDGs ?
It's great that they develop HQ-9 (whatever its maximum range ), but they should also speed up a bit programmes to achieve something comparable to Aster-15 or at least ESSM, both in terms of range (20-30km) and speed (Mach 3.5-4.0)

cheers

I personally think HQ-16 (or whatever they call what they put on 054A) is what is developed to be like Aster-15. Also, I did do a little research since last time on HQ-7, it seemed like HQ-7 was a lot more capable than I had previous given it credit for.

Anyhow, it seems like HQ-7 is going to last for a while.

 

[weasel1962]

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