Build your own expeditionary brigade

Sgt.Banes

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Brigade HQ (multinational)
Military Police Training
Main Command Center


Support Battalion
2x Transport Coy
Logistics Coy
Maintenance Coy

Light Infantry Battalion
3x Light Infantry: Boxers
1x Artillery Coy: M109 howitzer
1x Para Coy

Mechnized Infantry Battalion
1x Armor Coy: Leopard 2s
1x Medical Coy : Humvees and M-35 trucks
2x Mechanized Infantry Coy: Marders and Wiesels
1x Engineer Coy (M-35 trucks, Humvees, and MTV)


Airmobility Regiment
CH-47 Chinook
UH-60 Black hawk (Seahawk if troops are deploying from a naval infantry carrier or Amphibious ship)
UH-1 Iroquois
 

mic of orion

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Ok My attempt, lol :)


I' think medium mobile force for peacekeeping ops is what is needed here, force that can be entirely deployed to the field with in 72 hours (by tactical air transport) or with in 720 hours (tactical sea lift)

Brigade size: 5800 personal

HQ Coy, - 250 men
-- C3, HQ Platoon - 50 men
-- Signals Platoon - 50 men
-- Military Police Platoon - 50 men
-- Reconnaissance Platoon - 50 men
-- Special Forces Platoon - 50 men

Support Battalion - 1000 men
-- 2x Transport Coy
-- 2x Logistics Coy
-- 1x Maintenance/Workshops Coy
-- 1x Medical Coy - field hospital
-- 1x Support Coy (kitchen and supply)

Mechanized Battalion x 3 (3000 men)
-- 7x Mechanized Coy - 120x AMV Patria/Pandur 2 armed with Striker ATG's and 20-30mm AMRT's)
-- 4x Light Mechanized Coy - 72x Iveco LMV's (armed with 7.62mm or 12.7mm RT)
-- 2x Reconnaissance Coy - 32x Iveco LMV's (armed with advanced observation system and spike ER remote turret)
-- 2x Heavy Mechanized Coy - 36x CV90 - Armed with 40mm Turret and Spike ATGM's)
-- 1x Armour Coy - 18x Leopard 2A6 MBT.
-- 1x Anti Aircraft Warfare Coy, 8x2 Crotale NG vehicles (luncher with 8 missiles and radar tracking vehicle).

Mechanized Engineer Battalion - 750 men
-- 2x Construction Coy's
-- 2x Engineer Coy's
-- 1x Workshops

Light Artillery Battalion - Fire support Battalion - 500 men
-- 8x Bofors Archer 155mm SPH's.
-- 12x 120mm Heavy Mortars, M95 or any NATO version would do
-- 24x 81mm Mortars - NATO standard, no preference.
-- Artillery Support Coy

Air Mobile Support Detachment - 300 men
-- 8x AS 532 Caguar Helicopters
-- 4x AS 550 Fennec Light Helicopter
-- 1x Support/workshop Coy
OK, this unit is geared for Peacekeeping and Peaceenforcing, places like Afghanistan or Lebanon. :)
 
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Manfred2

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I'm going to ignore the tail and concentrait on the teeth of this unit-

To my mind, a Brigade is half a Division, an independant fighting unit trimmed down for mobility, therefore it should have five combat Battalions.
By "smallish", I am thinking Romania, Poland or maybe even Italy or Spain. Since equipment varies widely, I will not go into specific items, and 700m Euros is not a whole lot of equipment. I would leave the Generals to fill in the blanks as they saw fit... since they usualy do anyway.:p:

Also, air-deployment was not emphasised.
This information is what colors my answer to this thread-

I would build 5 nearly identical Battalions, all of whom can act independantly and can be shipped overseas as units capapble of carrying out their share of the mission.
There will be no Artillery battalion. Each of the five battalions will have a battery of MRLS and one of standard tube artillery. Self-proppeled weapons would be preferable, but must not exceed mission parameters. More about this later.

Each battalion would have an armored Company with (about) 9 tanks and 12-14 APCs or IVCs, and one battery of AAA mounted on a chassis that is the same as either the tanks or the APCs.
Since these are the only Armored vehicles in the battalion, it means that only one of your two infantry companies will be transported in them at a time. Here is why;

One of your infantry Companies will be "heavy", with training and equipment for serous defense or assault on diffucult targets. They should have mortars and a squad or two of engineers.
The other company will be Light Fighters, and here is where my notion of "mostly identical" comes in. In three of these Battalions, this will be a company trained for Airborne operations (how few is a "few" cargo aircraft, anyway?). In the other two, they will be recon troops, with small, fast, soft-skinned vehicles and perhaps a few helocopters.


So here you have a collection of combined arms Battalions that can be mixed and matched to build custom task-forces. If you are mainly interested in low-intensity conflicts, you know how a unit the size of a Brigade can get scattered all over the place. The commander of 1,000 men will be much more likely to act in a timely, aggresive manner if he knows he does not have to borrow equipment from other units to balance his forces out.

You will need good officers, and every company commander in the Brigade should know all the rest. The task-force concept looks good on paper, but you need first-class leadership to make it work.
I would accept second-class equipment if that was what it took to build the funds for serious training, at all levels of command.

I strongly suggest that all items of equipment be standard with the rest of the Army. Those high-intensity wars still happen, even if they are a distant third in your planning priority.


Was this a radical enough idea for you?
 

Rythm

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And now, The brigade is the to-be Nordic Expeditionary Brigade.

Participants will be:

Sweden
Norway
Denmark
Finland

and to a lesser extent:

Iceland (a single platoon)
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania (each a company and staff for the brigade HQ)

How would this change your proposals? Especially as stadardization goes?
 

ELP

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Since you said multi-national, the Brigade HQ might be a bit top heavy. :D

I would base it around a Brigade that had the Bushmaster IFV family of vehicles. I would use the old old British organization where the Regiment is just two Battalions. The 1st Battalion actually deploys and the 2nd Battalion stays home in garrison for support and training of the first Battalion.


1st Regiment

1st Mot Inf Battalion
2nd Mot Inf Battalion

2nd Regiment

1st Mot Inf Battalion
2nd Mot Inf Battalion

3rd Regiment (aviation)( MI-17 and MI-24 customized by Israelis ( like the MI-24 as it can carry stuff too )

1st Aviation Battalion
2nd Aviation Battalion

4th Regiment-Combat Support ( each battalion having all the support companies that make things run - Supply, Signals, Medical, Repair, MP, civil affairs, etc etc

1st Combat Support Battalion
2nd Combat Support Battalion

Brigade HQ has 3 or 4 companies attached with a full variety of stuff that gets attached to HQs, a basic sampling of skills that the main regiments have.

Combat/Construction Engineer Companies would be prominent in the 1st and 2nd Battalion of the 1st and 2nd Regiments.
Obviously for peace keeping stuff and depending on what fund sites are available for the operation, anything would deploy from the above organization would most likely be a "task force" that takes bits and pieces as needed from each of the 1st Battalions of each of the Regiments, and someone from Brigade Staff or the Brigade commander takes the task force to the field.
 

mic of orion

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And now, The brigade is the to-be Nordic Expeditionary Brigade.

Participants will be:

Sweden
Norway
Denmark
Finland

and to a lesser extent:

Iceland (a single platoon)
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania (each a company and staff for the brigade HQ)

How would this change your proposals? Especially as stadardization goes?

There actually is a unit called NORDBAT, lol, I think Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are contributing with one company each.

NORDBAT to NORDBGD; a nice concept IMHO.
 

GebInfBat77

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My take on it: It has 2 lighter Elements with Landrover (Air Assault Battalion) and LMV (Scout Group) and 2 x heavier Elements with AMV which is not air mobile. Anyway no smaller european country can deploy a hole Brigade by air.

24th Intervention Brigade (Rapid Reaction)
241st Headquatersbattalion
- Brigade Headquarters Company
- Signal Company
- MI Company
- Cavalry Squadron: 3 Troops with each 5 x Patria AMV with 30mm gun and 2 x Patria AMV with 105mm gun
- MP Coy
242nd Scout Group
- HHS
- 3 x Scout Squadrons: 3 Troops with each 7 x IVECO LMV of which 2 with Spike ATGM
- Antitank Squadron: 3 Troops with each 7 x IVECO LMV with Spike ATGM
243rd and 244th Motorised Infantry Battalion
- HHC
- 3 Mot Inf Companies: 14 x Patria AMV
- Support Company:
-- 6 x M252 81mm mortars on Patria AMV
-- 7 x IVECO LMV with Spike
-- Recon Platoon with 7 x IVECP LMV
-- Assault Pioneer Platoon with 4 x Patria AMV
245th Infantry Battalion (air assault)
- HHC
- 3 x Inf Companies: 4 x Platoons with each 7 x Landrover Defender
- Support Company: 6 x M252 81mm mortars, 7 x Landrover with Spike
246th Field Artillery Group
- HHB
- 3 Field Artillery Batteries (light): 6 x M777 Howitzers
- AD Artillery Battery (light): 24 x Stinger
247th Combat Engineer Battalion
- HHC
- 3 Combat Engineer Companies
- Engineer Company
248th Logistic Battalion
- HHC
- Logistic Company
- Transport Company
- Maintenance Company
- Medical Company
+ 1/168 Utility Helicopter Squadron from 168th Utility Helicopter Group with 6 x Cougar and 6 x OH-58
 
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