For comparison - BTR-90 with Bakcha cost ~ 1.300.000 $$
BTR-90 Production?
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1) Yes.
2) My acquaintances and Russian news. Мои знакомые и русские новостные ресурсы.
3) Equipment of "BAKHCHOY-U" under a large question. On the anti-tank possibilities of "BAKHCHA-U" at the level of 60 of the last century. Оснащение "Бахчой-У" под большим вопросом. По своим противотанковым возможностям "Бахча-У" на уровне 60 годов прошлого века.
4) Cost of BTR-80 for external buyers - about 300 000 $ in 2007. http://www.day.az/news/economy/88808.html
But the cost of BTR-80 does not matter, as for our army BTR-80A is bought in.
Цена БТР-80 для внешних покупателей - около 300 000 $ в 2007 году.
Но цена БТР-80 не имеет значения, поскольку для нашей армии закупаются БТР-80А.
For comparison - a cost of one tank of T-90 in 2004 was 35 000 000 roubles, that on an of that time course - approximately those 1 300 000 $.
Для сравнения - цена одного танка Т-90 в 2004 году была 35 000 000 рублей, то есть по тогдашнему курсу - примерно те же 1 300 000 $.
Probably, untaxed and stripped down version for russian army. I.e. without Catherine TI, ERA, and Shtora . All these are not produced by UVZ and can be installed and purchased separately.
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Poll your link does not say that it has entered serial production. Only that it is in service, which means that it passed government testing. Do you have any actual info on the production and procurement?
Твой источник ничего не говорит о закупках или производстве БТР-90, только то что он принят на вооружение. У тебя есть информация о серийном производстве или закупках для Российской армии?
Твой источник ничего не говорит о закупках или производстве БТР-90, только то что он принят на вооружение. У тебя есть информация о серийном производстве или закупках для Российской армии?
Hmm very interesting comments:
The BTR - 90 is in small scale production with the Russians ready to pull the trigger for full scale, if they havent already. As of 2006 Russia had approximentely 190 in service that we know of, I cannot see them keeping the BTR -80A or S version in long term service when they can have a vehicle that is better armored, offers more inside vehicle mass and offers better mobility, yes - they have placed additional armor on the BTR-80 A/S but it still isn`t better armored over the new kid on the block, BTR-90.
Plus let me add that the BTR-90 compares quite well to the likes of U.S Stryker or German Boxer. Now - only if they would do away with the bloody side access doors.
To you Chrom:
Standard 30mm equipped BTR-90 is called a APC, so where is the IFV designation coming from, the Bimp 3 turret configuration version.
The BTR - 90 is in small scale production with the Russians ready to pull the trigger for full scale, if they havent already. As of 2006 Russia had approximentely 190 in service that we know of, I cannot see them keeping the BTR -80A or S version in long term service when they can have a vehicle that is better armored, offers more inside vehicle mass and offers better mobility, yes - they have placed additional armor on the BTR-80 A/S but it still isn`t better armored over the new kid on the block, BTR-90.
Plus let me add that the BTR-90 compares quite well to the likes of U.S Stryker or German Boxer. Now - only if they would do away with the bloody side access doors.
To you Chrom:
Standard 30mm equipped BTR-90 is called a APC, so where is the IFV designation coming from, the Bimp 3 turret configuration version.
There is no plans to "pull the trigger" for own use. BTR-90 cost about as much as BMP-3M and BMD-4. All these vehicles (including tanks and BMP-T) are procured in very marginal numbers. However, there is little doubt what should any contract come - any of these vehicles could be build in hundreds every year.
Hmm, can you give a link for 190 BTR-90 in service? As much as i know they numbers should be several times less.
BTR-80A will be produced for Russian army at least for several years. There are no plans to fully replace BTR-80A with BTR-90 - it is unnecessary expensive in many cases.
Yes, not the best design. Too much sacrificed for amphibian ability and general balance.
Anything with stabilized weapon already could be considered IFV. So early BTR-90 with BMP-2 turret is also IFV. Ofc, russians still try to name it as APC to comply various treaties.
BTR-90 8x8 armoured personnel carrier rolls into production
The BTR-90 8x8 armoured personnel carrier (APC) is the latest Russian 8x8 wheeled vehicle to enter production and continues the tradition of the earlier BTR-60, BTR-70 and BTR-80 series of vehicles. In many respects the BTR-90 is an enlarged version of the BTR-80 and has a similar layout with the driver and a passenger at the front, a two-person turret in the centre and the troop compartment to the immediate turret rear
This was Emailed to me as of today from Janes Defense Weekly
And who cares if a vehicle can really swim, this is quite a old requirement that is not really practiced as much as you may think.
The vehicle numbers come from Janes Defense also, the U.S Department acually puts the numbers at around 210.
So the Russians are playing sneaky with the vehicle designations, why - they have already stated that treaties with NATO are thrown out the window so to speak due to security concerns.
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Are you sure that it is a good swimmer, in what configuration. If Russia wants to call it a IFV, mini tank destroyer or a bloody APC who cares, my concern is that the U.S Army knows of it`s capabilities so that we can effectively engage and destroy it if faced on the battlefield, as it stands right now the U.S and NATO has given it a APC designation.
Feanor:
I know that the 30mm turret configured one will swim, but what about with a BMP 3 turret configured BTR-90. Also I was informed that it has the same swim speed as a BTR-80.
Never underestimate the formal stupidity of bureaucrat who give designations..
No, there is promotional video.
BTR-90 with 100mm gun swim 11km/h, can fire all weapons while swimming, have target auto-tracker, can fire from move against moving targets. Max missile range 5500, max 100mm gun range is 7km.
Thank you for the information, I will do some more digging around in-regards to vehicle swim speed. Do you have a link to this video.
It really doesn`t concern me, Russia is in a process of modernization and why not have your best vehicles included, they can afford to get a little leaner but in that part of the world they still need a substantual military force.
[ame="http://youtube.com/watch?v=zxwkZqijfas"]YouTube - BMD-4[/ame]
Promovideo itself. I used to have also corresponding translated text, but now i cant find that link.
Generally, new BTR-90 have Bakcha-U turret and all its corresponding properties. There are a lot of information about the turret.
Same capabilities for BMP-3M, BMD-4 and BTR-90.
P.S. After close examination it turns out there are some difference in sources. Some states 10 km/h swim for BTR-90, some 9 km/h, some even 11. Might be for different versions.
Promovideo itself. I used to have also corresponding translated text, but now i cant find that link.
Generally, new BTR-90 have Bakcha-U turret and all its corresponding properties. There are a lot of information about the turret.
Same capabilities for BMP-3M, BMD-4 and BTR-90.
P.S. After close examination it turns out there are some difference in sources. Some states 10 km/h swim for BTR-90, some 9 km/h, some even 11. Might be for different versions.
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