BTR-90 Production?

[Feanor]

So the big question that came up in my mind recently. Is the BTR-90 in production for the Russian Army? Here's what I know.

- allegedly 4 battallions were re-equipped with new BTR's (unspecified) last year and 4 more this year
- Moscow Defense Brief lists purchase of ~100 BTR-80 for last year

This produces an obvious inconsistency. The BTR-80 is not new, unless the machine in question is the BTR-80A which could be considered new relative of the rest of the BTR fleet.

- Victory Day Parade featured all the new Russian technology including the T-90, BMP-3, and BTR-90 which means at least small numbers are in service
- the BTR-90 was recently offered to Malaysia as an export, indicating that production is at least ready to begin
- the BTR-90 passed government testing and has been "in service" with the Russian Army since 2004

So now the big question. Are new BTR's being purchased right now the BTR-90? or some other machine like a BTR-80A or some other modification?

 

[Poll]

- allegedly 4 battallions were re-equipped with new BTR's (unspecified) last year and 4 more this year
- Moscow Defense Brief lists purchase of ~100 BTR-80 for last year

Amendment. Moscow Defense Brief lists purchase of ~100 BTR-80 and BTR-90 for last year.

So now the big question. Are new BTR's being purchased right now the BTR-90? or some other machine like a BTR-80A or some other modification?

BTR-90 bought in by Russian Army "complete set of battalion" (it is 30 units) in a year.

 

[eckherl]

So the big question that came up in my mind recently. Is the BTR-90 in production for the Russian Army? Here's what I know.

- allegedly 4 battallions were re-equipped with new BTR's (unspecified) last year and 4 more this year
- Moscow Defense Brief lists purchase of ~100 BTR-80 for last year

This produces an obvious inconsistency. The BTR-80 is not new, unless the machine in question is the BTR-80A which could be considered new relative of the rest of the BTR fleet.

- Victory Day Parade featured all the new Russian technology including the T-90, BMP-3, and BTR-90 which means at least small numbers are in service
- the BTR-90 was recently offered to Malaysia as an export, indicating that production is at least ready to begin
- the BTR-90 passed government testing and has been "in service" with the Russian Army since 2004

So now the big question. Are new BTR's being purchased right now the BTR-90? or some other machine like a BTR-80A or some other modification?

Russia does state that it is in fact in production, most likely in the same issue though as T-90 production (small production batches), Russian Army defence spending is under budget restraints, this should change though in the future. Another thing that may be a factor is do they really know which turret configuration that they are content with.

 

[Poll]

First photo: standard turret with the additional module of auto grenade launcher and set anti-tank weapon.
30mm autocannon, 7,62mm machingun, 30mm auto grenade launcher, anti-tank missle "Kornet".
Second photo: standard turret with the taken off anti-tank weapon.
Third photo: module of armament of "BAKHCHA-U". 30mm autocannon, 7,62mm machingun, 100 mm cannon - rocket launcher.
If shortly.

 

[Chrom]

Russia does state that it is in fact in production, most likely in the same issue though as T-90 production (small production batches), Russian Army defence spending is under budget restraints, this should change though in the future. Another thing that may be a factor is do they really know which turret configuration that they are content with.

BTR-90 is much too expensive compared to BTR-80A, it is in fact not BTR (APC) any longer but wheeled BMP (IFV). The price is main issue here. Small batches are produced every year, i suppose they will be used for "peacekeeping" duties and concept test puproses.

 

[Feanor]

Poll and Chrom do you guys have links to the info on the production schedule?

Also Poll MDB does not mention the BTR-90. Only BTR-80.

http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/2-2007/item1/item2/

BTR-80 armoured pesonnel carrier


About 100


Arzamas Machine-building Plant

EDIT: I was under impression that all the BTR-90 had the Bakcha-U firing complex? Also are the rumors about the onboard computer systems of the Rostok true?

 

[Chrom]

Poll and Chrom do you guys have links to the info on the production schedule?

The 7-years (2008-2015) russian MOD public military acquisition plan do not specifically mention BTR-90. This basically means it will be purchased only in very small quantities, at least until next 10-years plan is accepted (2010-2020).

EDIT: I was under impression that all the BTR-90 had the Bakcha-U firing complex? Also are the rumors about the onboard computer systems of the Rostok true?

Theoretically, there are several variants. Early ones were with 30mm cannon and AGS - i think this "interim" variant is in service in small quantities.

The "new" variant is with "Bakcha-U" turret (100mm+30mm + TI).

Also, what rumors about the onboard computer? BTR-90 have one, just like any other modern IFV.

 

[Poll]

Poll and Chrom do you guys have links to the info on the production schedule?

In 2007 year Arzamas Machine-building Plant passed to the production of BTR-90 for Russian Army.
Reference for information will be provided by Federal Service Safety of Russia.

Also Poll MDB does not mention the BTR-90. Only BTR-80.

http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/2-2007/item1/item2/

Take this "source" in a rest room. Purchases went through Federal Boundary Service.

EDIT: I was under impression that all the BTR-90 had the Bakcha-U firing complex? Also are the rumors about the onboard computer systems of the Rostok true?

No, Bakcha-U its addition. IMHO - not necessary for ACP.
"Rostok" - its name BTR-90, or GAZ-5923. Yes, equipped Side Informative Sensor-based system.
"Bakcha-U" has an own computer of management.

 

[Poll]

The 7-years (2008-2015) russian MOD public military acquisition plan do not specifically mention BTR-90. This basically means it will be purchased only in very small quantities, at least until next 10-years plan is accepted (2010-2020).

Rotin me in this plan system under the name (you know Russian) "Mnogo-ment"? :
And it will be. And series "Panzir-1S" for military tests, at least. Plus "Hermes" - again minimum military tests.

Theoretically, there are several variants. Early ones were with 30mm cannon and AGS - i think this "interim" variant is in service in small quantities.

It is the first variant.

The "new" variant is with "Bakcha-U" turret (100mm+30mm + TI).

Yet there is a variant of equipment firing complex "Headsail" ("Kliver").

Also, what rumors about the onboard computer? BTR-90 have one, just like any other modern IFV.

+1 at the equipment of "BAKHCHA-U".

 

[eckherl]

First photo: standard turret with the additional module of auto grenade launcher and set anti-tank weapon.
30mm autocannon, 7,62mm machingun, 30mm auto grenade launcher, anti-tank missle "Kornet".
Second photo: standard turret with the taken off anti-tank weapon.
Third photo: module of armament of "BAKHCHA-U". 30mm autocannon, 7,62mm machingun, 100 mm cannon - rocket launcher.
If shortly.

Hello and welcome to defence talk:

Sorry that I did not list each turret weapons description but my photo`s were posted merely to show turret capabilities for the BTR-90. let me give you a big thumbs up though in your turret descriptions.

Good Job!

 

[eckherl]

BTR-90 is much too expensive compared to BTR-80A, it is in fact not BTR (APC) any longer but wheeled BMP (IFV). The price is main issue here. Small batches are produced every year, i suppose they will be used for "peacekeeping" duties and concept test puproses.

Interesting, which BMP designation did it recieve.

 

[eckherl]

The 7-years (2008-2015) russian MOD public military acquisition plan do not specifically mention BTR-90. This basically means it will be purchased only in very small quantities, at least until next 10-years plan is accepted (2010-2020).


Theoretically, there are several variants. Early ones were with 30mm cannon and AGS - i think this "interim" variant is in service in small quantities.

The "new" variant is with "Bakcha-U" turret (100mm+30mm + TI).

Also, what rumors about the onboard computer? BTR-90 have one, just like any other modern IFV.

Are they going to go with different turret weapons configurations for manufacturing or dedicate production to just one turret weapons set up.

 

[Feanor]

In 2007 year Arzamas Machine-building Plant passed to the production of BTR-90 for Russian Army.
Reference for information will be provided by Federal Service Safety of Russia.

Do you have a link to the source?

Take this "source" in a rest room. Purchases went through Federal Boundary Service.

You yourself corrected me on citing my source. Your correction was wrong. And now you're questioning the validity of the source. We seem to have a logical inconsistency here. Anyways if you don't like my source please provide a better one. No sarcasm, I'll be very happy to have a reliable source on Russian Army procurement schedules.

Interesting, which BMP designation did it recieve.

What he meant was that the BTR-90 is an IFV by class. It's designation is still BTR-90.

 

[eckherl]

Do you have a link to the source?



You yourself corrected me on citing my source. Your correction was wrong. And now you're questioning the validity of the source. We seem to have a logical inconsistency here. Anyways if you don't like my source please provide a better one. No sarcasm, I'll be very happy to have a reliable source on Russian Army procurement schedules.



What he meant was that the BTR-90 is an IFV by class. It's designation is still BTR-90.

Okay - I got it, he kinda threw me through a loop on the way he worded his reponse, darn it Chrom.

 

[Poll]

Do you have a link to the source?

The opened sources on this topic in the flow of a few years will not be. In Russia.

You yourself corrected me on citing my source. Your correction was wrong. And now you're questioning the validity of the source. We seem to have a logical inconsistency here. Anyways if you don't like my source please provide a better one. No sarcasm, I'll be very happy to have a reliable source on Russian Army procurement schedules.

It is violation of laws of Russian Federation.
Imprisonment within 15 years.
All, that possibly - to comment official information.
So, for the army of Russia BTR-80 already not ordered a long ago, only BTR-80A. From 2007 the production of BTR-90 is unfolded. Sense to produce simultaneously similar BTR-80A and BTR-90 does not see. Although in our Russia of logician works not always, agree. :nutkick

What he meant was that the BTR-90 is an IFV by class. It's designation is still BTR-90.

BTR-90 it not ACP. Here - ACP: http://rusarmy.ru/unit.php?id=156
BPM-97 : "Vistrel".

eckherl> Hello and welcome to defence talk
Thank you!

 

[Chrom]

All, that possibly - to comment official information.
So, for the army of Russia BTR-80 already not ordered a long ago, only BTR-80A. From 2007 the production of BTR-90 is unfolded. Sense to produce simultaneously similar BTR-80A and BTR-90 does not see. Although in our Russia of logician works not always, agree. :nutkick

Thank you!

BTR-80A and BTR-90 are completely different vehicles - weight, price, firepower, protection, even vehicle class. As such, it makes some sense to purchase both in same time.

 

[Feanor]

The opened sources on this topic in the flow of a few years will not be. In Russia.

Poll I don't understand your english, so I hope you speak Russian. Так что ты имел ввиду? Я не очень понял. Ты знаешь сколько БТР-90 закупается в год или нет?

It is violation of laws of Russian Federation.
Imprisonment within 15 years.
All, that possibly - to comment official information.

Не понял. Что против закона? Интересоваться военными закупками?

So, for the army of Russia BTR-80 already not ordered a long ago, only BTR-80A. From 2007 the production of BTR-90 is unfolded. Sense to produce simultaneously similar BTR-80A and BTR-90 does not see. Although in our Russia of logician works not always, agree. :nutkick

То есть с 2007 года начался выпуск БТР-90? В каких количествах и откуда ты знаешь?

BTR-90 it not ACP. Here - ACP: http://rusarmy.ru/unit.php?id=156
BPM-97 : "Vistrel".

По весовомы классу, и вооружению БТР-90 это БМП. Ты с этим не согласен?

 

[Poll]

BTR-80A/BTR-90
weight: 14,5 t (With an additional armour, set in the field terms - to 20 tn)/22 t
price: unknown/unknown (look at the cost of old Jeep as tow of artillery for KMI of the USA)
firepower: main cannon 2A72 (30mm, 300 shell)/ main cannon 2A72 (30mm, 500 shell)
protection: from bullets (plus an additional armour)/ from bullets (increased)
vehicle class: 8x8/8x8

Its not may. Afgan.
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[Feanor]

Poll:
1) Do you speak Russian or not, and if you do please respond to my previous post
2) Do you have a source for your production information or not, and if you do please cite it
3) I'm working on the assumption that the main production variant of the BTR-90 will be the one fitted with Bakhcha-U, given the recent trend of adapting it to BMD needs, it would seem natural
4) The price of a BTR-80 is given by the MoD at ~244 000 $

 

[Poll]

Poll I don't understand your english, so I hope you speak Russian. Так что ты имел ввиду? Я не очень понял. Ты знаешь сколько БТР-90 закупается в год или нет?

Good russian! I will repeat the posty in russian. If it is possible - remedy me, please. The conveyer production of BTR-90 is unfolded. It is an official interview with the executive director of Arzamas Machine-building Plant of V. Kopalkinym. It means the scales of production of order no less than ten of machines in a year. To the export BTR-90 does not go.
Развернуто конвейерное производство БТР-90. Это - официальное интервью с исполнительным директором Арзамасского Машиностроительного Завода В. Копалкиным. Это означает масштабы производства порядка не менее десятков машин в год. На экспорт БТР-90 не идет.

Не понял. Что против закона? Интересоваться военными закупками?

Moreover, that is published in official records - yes. Find the purchase of those BTR-90 in official records, that was rotined on the Red area. They were bought in by Federal Boundary Service.
Сверх того, что написано в официальных документах - да. Найдите в официальных документах закупку тех БТР-90, что показали на Красной площади. Их закупала Федеральная Пограничная Служба.

То есть с 2007 года начался выпуск БТР-90? В каких количествах и откуда ты знаешь?It is official news on Russian. For example it is said here about it: http://www.nta-nn.ru/news/item/?ID=132474
To read attentively.
Это официальные новости на русском. Например об этом сказано тут (ссылка выше). Читать внимательно.

По весовомы классу, и вооружению БТР-90 это БМП. Ты с этим не согласен?

I agree. Therefore except for BTR-90 BPM-97 is created.
Согласен. Поэтому кроме БТР-90 создан БПМ-97.