Boat spotted at Penn's Landing, PA

jokerabc

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I was curious if this was a military boat that I took a picture off while hanging out at Penn's Landing, PA this past weekend. Was near the destroyer there and the Olympia and spotted this. All of them had US flags on their uniforms. Does anyone know?

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Smokin' Joe

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I was curious if this was a military boat that I took a picture off while hanging out at Penn's Landing, PA this past weekend. Was near the destroyer there and the Olympia and spotted this. All of them had US flags on their uniforms. Does anyone know?

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Looks like a HSB (High Speed Boat). The HSB was the predecessor to the Mk. 5 and is still used (or still was in 2008, the last time I saw one).

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mybacker46

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Looks like the two boats are totally different? The former looks like more streamlined like resembling an stealth boat configuration? Also, seems like a prototype, just my opinion by not looking at it more closely. The skin could be also made of a different material other than metal or coated with something synthetic?
 

Smokin' Joe

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Looks like the two boats are totally different? The former looks like more streamlined like resembling an stealth boat configuration? Also, seems like a prototype, just my opinion by not looking at it more closely. The skin could be also made of a different material other than metal or coated with something synthetic?
I would hope that you would do some of your own research before commenting back the next time. Search Navy SEALs HSB the Fountain. You can get these boats for everyday use on ebay if you want (they are called Fountain Executioners). The reason it looks different is because of some small modifications. It is in fact the same boat.
 
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mybacker46

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I would hope that you would do some of your own research before commenting back the next time. Search Navy SEALs HSB the Fountain. You can get these boats for everyday use on ebay if you want (they are called Fountain Executioners). The reason it looks different is because of some small modifications. It is in fact the same boat.
I beg to differ to your type of reasoning. You didn't provide any proofs that indeed those two boats are the same? Based just on the pictures/visual proofs, there are drastic changes that were implemented if indeed the original baseline configuration was the Navy Seals boat or new engine perhaps? Therefore, a different configuration and a new boat, i.e., NavysealsboatA1. Oh, I would like to acquire one of the new boat from ebay if available like you stated.
 

Smokin' Joe

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I beg to differ to your type of reasoning. You didn't provide any proofs that indeed those two boats are the same? Based just on the pictures/visual proofs, there are drastic changes that were implemented if indeed the original baseline configuration was the Navy Seals boat or new engine perhaps? Therefore, a different configuration and a new boat, i.e., NavysealsboatA1. Oh, I would like to acquire one of the new boat from ebay if available like you stated.
2007 42 Fountain Executioner Powerboat with 700's and #6 Drives 2007 42 Fountain Executioner Powerboat with 700's and #6 Drives | eBay

Please don't mistake what I am saying as being upset. I gave you the information you needed to do some research on your own rather than having everything handed to you. I also told you that you could find Fountain Executioner's (a civilianized version) on ebay but you lacked the motivation to actually look it up. Maybe what I should have said is, "That looks like a 'Fountain' which is a HSB used by the Navy Seals."

If you find in your own research that this cannot be the same boat then I apologize for any inconvienence that I may have caused you.
 

mybacker46

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"Please don't mistake what I am saying as being upset. I gave you the information you needed to do some research on your own rather than having everything handed to you. I also told you that you could find Fountain Executioner's (a civilianized version) on ebay but you lacked the motivation to actually look it up. Maybe what I should have said is, "That looks like a 'Fountain' which is a HSB used by the Navy Seals."

If you find in your own research that this cannot be the same boat then I apologize for any inconvienence that I may have caused you."

Not at all. I just detected a mild condescending tone on the way you presented your comments. Actually, I thought, since you were basically disagreeing with me that you should at least presented your facts to disprove what I stated right away? No harm done, I agree with your last statement, i.e., "That looks like a 'Fountain' which is a HSB used by the Navy Seals." Or in addendum, a modified version thereof?
 

Smokin' Joe

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"Please don't mistake what I am saying as being upset. I gave you the information you needed to do some research on your own rather than having everything handed to you. I also told you that you could find Fountain Executioner's (a civilianized version) on ebay but you lacked the motivation to actually look it up. Maybe what I should have said is, "That looks like a 'Fountain' which is a HSB used by the Navy Seals."

If you find in your own research that this cannot be the same boat then I apologize for any inconvienence that I may have caused you."

Not at all. I just detected a mild condescending tone on the way you presented your comments. Actually, I thought, since you were basically disagreeing with me that you should at least presented your facts to disprove what I stated right away? No harm done, I agree with your last statement, i.e., "That looks like a 'Fountain' which is a HSB used by the Navy Seals." Or in addendum, a modified version thereof?
Your original question was if it was military. YES! I also tried to throw an identifier in there for you as I used to work on a base with these boats. I could do the research for you or I could provide you with some personal experience that tells me that it was a HSB and you could do some research from there. I charge $40 dollars an hour for my research :D

Should I send you a bill? <<<<<< This is a joke.
 

mybacker46

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Your original question was if it was military. YES! I also tried to throw an identifier in there for you as I used to work on a base with these boats. I could do the research for you or I could provide you with some personal experience that tells me that it was a HSB and you could do some research from there. I charge $40 dollars an hour for my research :D

Should I send you a bill? <<<<<< This is a joke.
Yeah, I make $65/hr also, so my comments and your research will balance out at the end. Seriously, I believe what you're saying on the baseline configuration of the boat. I would not think the SOF will use the commercial configuration of the boat...that is my 5 cents.
 

Anixtu

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The reason it looks different is because of some small modifications. It is in fact the same boat.
Those "small modifications" that I can spot comparing the OP's pic with your linked pic of an HSB and others found online being -
1) the hull chine, so a different shape to at least the hull side
2) removal of the rubbing strake
3) different deck profile
4) different cockpit shape and profile
5) different radar mast

So different in fact, that it is not "the same boat", though it may serve a similar purpose. Definitely not a Fountain Executioner or any other similar USN HSB design in recent service unless it has been through a chop shop and become essentially something else.

There are some pics here (treat the captions with caution) of a similar boat that looks more like a modified version of Joe's linked HSB. Perhaps that is what Joe had in mind and the OP's pic is of the latest version on a different hull.
 

Smokin' Joe

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Those "small modifications" that I can spot comparing the OP's pic with your linked pic of an HSB and others found online being -
1) the hull chine, so a different shape to at least the hull side
2) removal of the rubbing strake
3) different deck profile
4) different cockpit shape and profile
5) different radar mast

So different in fact, that it is not "the same boat", though it may serve a similar purpose. Definitely not a Fountain Executioner or any other similar USN HSB design in recent service unless it has been through a chop shop and become essentially something else.

There are some pics here (treat the captions with caution) of a similar boat that looks more like a modified version of Joe's linked HSB. Perhaps that is what Joe had in mind and the OP's pic is of the latest version on a different hull.
I've seen that eyeball thing before. Mk V? (LOL) I can see what you are saying about the Executioner. What I was getting at was that they look like the Fountain made boats. Just trying to put a lead out there to help identify it. Like I said I have done no research on it.

What were you thinking? I just looked at the Night Cat 27 and that isn't it either. You think someone just pieced this thing together in a garage?
 

mybacker46

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I've seen that eyeball thing before. Mk V? (LOL) I can see what you are saying about the Executioner. What I was getting at was that they look like the Fountain made boats. Just trying to put a lead out there to help identify it. Like I said I have done no research on it.

What were you thinking? I just looked at the Night Cat 27 and that isn't it either. You think someone just pieced this thing together in a garage?
I think this discussion has morphed. The argument is that the basic configuration of the original boat had been changed to something else. Therefore, the boat that was pictured in PA is an totally new boat. LOL.
 

Smokin' Joe

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The argument is that the basic configuration of the original boat had been changed to something else. Therefore, the boat that was pictured in PA is an totally new boat. LOL.
Just got new info. DEVGRU put out a contract a while ago for a new HSB. The company was awarded the contract and this is the prototype for test for the new HSB. Obviously it was designed after the previous HSBs but has some modifications for LO purposes such as the hull and the engine area being covered. Also note how there are no gun or parachute mounts on this bad boy yet. I have no further specifications, but I thought I would throw this out here. It is not in production yet.
 

mybacker46

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Just got new info. DEVGRU put out a contract a while ago for a new HSB. The company was awarded the contract and this is the prototype for test for the new HSB. Obviously it was designed after the previous HSBs but has some modifications for LO purposes such as the hull and the engine area being covered. Also note how there are no gun or parachute mounts on this bad boy yet. I have no further specifications, but I thought I would throw this out here. It is not in production yet.
Now an prototype? Well, exactly what I said in my first post! Do you really think they're going to install guns in this boat?
 

mybacker46

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I don't know bro... what do you think? :p:
I think you know how the Seals and/or SOF operate. I'm 95% confident that they're not going to shoot their way into an operation/mission, so an mounted gun would be totally unnecessary, IMHO. They want to be very quiet as much as possible. I'm more interested on how they're going to reduce or eliminate most of the noise coming from the twin engines?
 

Smokin' Joe

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I think that there is a possibility to mount weapons. While a lot of operations are covert there are times that there is a need for weapons. Most of the past boats have had parachute and weapons capability, I don't see a reason why this one wouldn't.

While I agree with you, on covert missions, how silence is needed there are different missions that special forces teams fulfill.

This link is to a newspaper clipping from United States Marine Inc.'s website stating that the contract award was given to their company. Time frame for testing seems to fit.

http://www.usmi.com/MARADAnnouncementSunHeraldApr2010.pdf
 
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